Automatically trust the science or disregard it if it has a woke political agenda?

[Drewtate]

Do transsexuals live longer?

[SomothErgai]

Neither. No one should ever simply "trust" the science. All scientific claims should be read and evaluated on a case by case basis and only if the evidence, theory, documentation, reasoning, and explanation add up should you consider accepting the claims as true.

And even then, all science is accepted on a tenuous basis. Meaning that even though it might really really seem true right now, some unknown pieces of evidence might surface tomorrow that discredit some or even all of the claim.

Science is not to be trusted. It's to be accepted when there is sufficient reason to do so and always with a grain of salt. And this is coming from someone who adores science. It's one of my single greatest passions in life. But it's because I love it so much that I believe it is so important to use it properly.

No respectable scientist would ever say, "trust me bro I'm a scientist". We all know that we not only could be wrong about any given thing. We probably are.

[genericname85]

science isn't meant for everyone to just "trust". it's meant to be read, understood and eventually ciritiqued and improved upon. just cause it's part of science doesn't mean it's true by default. there are scientific results that wer know are correct with very high confidence and there are scientific results that lack substance. transsexuals do NOT live longer that's bullshit. in fact the suicide rates inside the group of transsexuals is so high that even that alone invalidates the argument that they "live longer". don't have to conduct any compicated social science to know that. and i am in social science, so i know xD

you know parts of science are "observations" and part of science are "theories". observations re just that very obviously exist in reality that we are describing. and part of that observable reality is that trans people do worse in mortality statistics. the only way you could make the bullshit argument if you made the statistical error of counting all the hundreds of years of "there not being data for transsexual mortality" as "them not dying". and the news paper article smells like they did that. but that's statistical nonsense. not science xD

[genericname85]

it is true however that men live shorter than women. and that is true even if you eliminate any social scientific conrol variable that also predicts mortality. so there must be a biological reason cause this is true even if you account for every concievable lifestyle reason. and i'm willing to bet my left nut, that cutting your nuts off won't eliminate that reason.

[Drewtate]

It's also true that when you eliminate a man's genitalia he will suffer from all sorts of health problems

[genericname85]

Yeah. Well. It is possible to claim you're taking about science but then not actually having any science that backs what you're saying. Same shit happened all through the Corona crisis. The media doesn't use science correctly. And this people think bad of science cause what they look at is the media, not the science.

[Drewtate]

Short-term consequences of emasculation include bleeding and infection. Historically, death was also a potential complication, although the prevalence is disputed.

Long term complications include incontinence, urethral stricture, urine retention, urinary tract infection, urine extravasation and bladder stones. Some studies have found that emasculation may cause a range of physiological changes, such as a shortened torso, widened stomach and hips, increased height, bowed legs, and an elongated skull. Additionally, emasculates typically have less or no facial and body hair, increased fatty tissue or gynecomastia, and a feminine fat pattern distribution. The physiological effects of emasculation are more severe for people who undergo the procedure before the onset of puberty.

[HelpfulWoman]

ugh. just that alone is time to take with a pinch/bucket load of salt. a lot of these "researcher says" is literally just that. a random person who happens to have a job label of "researcher" saying shit whilst not having evidence.

[Siri137]

No, I never "trust the science", because you're not supposed to trust it; you're supposed to question it. Always.

[Chazmatazz269]

Don’t automatically trust any “science”. That word is thrown around WAY too much in the US, especially considering how plainly dumb as f*ck most people are.
Here’s an unpopular truth the loudmouth dummies don’t want to face up to: even scientists don’t inherently “trust” science. That’s why results are constantly being challenged, processes retried, and good data is proliferated the way that it is.
The results of any scientific research can be edited and filtered to produce a desirable narrative, and it almost always is. Science isn’t cheap, let alone free. So all the people and companies funding research are MORE interested in getting returns on their investment than in any measure of “truth”.

[bolverk]

The above article is from The Guardian, a Pro-Feminist/Pro-Left Broadsheet newspaper, I would not trust any "Scientific" article in that newspaper, here's the full article;

https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/may/31/men-and-other-mammals-live-longer-if-they-are-castrated-says-researcher

[Lynx122]

It could definitely make sense to me. Most of the lower life expectancy for men is young men doing very risky stuff. Like driving motor cycles at high speeds, picking fights with other men, punting all your money on options or crypto (that one doesn't lead directly to death but it can in the wrong circumstances) I'm sure you can think of more examples yourself. Most of that behavior comes directly from testosterone so it's believable that a person without it would live longer in todays world. But it also makes you not a male anymore which is kind of a big deal. And there are still a lot of men who survive the most dangerous time and go on to live long lives.

[NamerOfStars]

Neither: examine the evidence and supporting and against it and test for reproducibility, as per the basic aspects of the scientific method you were taught about in grade school.

And in this case, it actually IS true that the strain large levels of testosterone produces do correspond with a lower life expectancy, heavy levels of estrogen not only don't provide men the same protection, but are even worse.

But you're not interested in the truth, are you? No; you're all about making people who disagree with you look stupid.

Look in the mirror, man; you're doing it to yourself.

[TommyMountainFigure]

The second one! Besides, if they tried to do that to me? They wouldn't last on this earth for 5 more minutes!

[Drewtate]

They coming for your kids and now your genitals

[TommyMountainFigure]

I don't know how well you follow the history books, but if you look at the events leading up to the 2nd world war. Not as far as transexuals go, but the way in which the 'left' with their demands bringing rise to the 'right' and then pushing people further and further towards it. etc etc.

[jshm2]

Science can be wrong as well as right. But what you're alluding to are "opinions" and little to do with science.

[Drewtate]

Studies done.

[normalice]

Woke is a far right term to describe anything that isn't giving billionaires more money. It has nothing to do with science.

[Drewtate]

Billionaires are the ones promoting wokeness

[normalice]

Yes. No one buys republican policy so they sell us culture wars instead. If people think the way to fight against billionaires is to demand they stop being woke instead of demanding they pay their taxes, they remain effectively untouchable.

[Drewtate]

Nope. Disney, budlight, target, amazon, Nike, Gillette, Starbucks, google... all owned by billionaires who don't pay their taxes regardless
https://youtu.be/bofLnrFPerE?si=5qKeuCpuFmI-522k

[normalice]

Um. So you meant "yup" since that's in agreement with what I said.

[Joshydavid25]

Woke was actually a term Tyrants in "Black Lives Matter" started using, and it gained popularity from there.. The right is basically using it in the same way, but with a sarcastic, and derogatory tone to it.. Basically anything that has a clear far left agenda to it..

[normalice]

There aren't tyrants in "black lives matter." That's just something the people with mass head trauma on the right say because they know no one else is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit.

[Joshydavid25]

There definitely are, and speaking as a young "Black" man who doesn't see any improvements BLM has made in the hood (only destruction), I say that they are tyrants or at the very least grifters and opportunist, stoking anger and making money from it..

[normalice]

The problem is BLM isn't really an entity or organization - it is only a message. However, some black far right opportunists tried to cash in and take donations by claiming to be the leaders of the "movement," but they recently showed their hand by endorsing Trump.

[Joshydavid25]

Oh okay... Now we're going into conspiracy territory I see.. LOL..

[Avicenna]

@Joshydavid25: He's mentally ill...

[normalice]

Conspracy? They are on the record endorsing Trump, lol.

[Drewtate]

@Joshydavid25 as a young black guy also I completely agree with what you say about the BLM. It was a lucrative hustle which saw the leaders make millions

[normalice]

Indeed, and those leaders ended up endorsing Trump. Unfortunately he thinks what you just said is a conspiracy theory instead of common knowledge.

The thing is the BLM thing didn't actually have appointed or elected leaders. I went to a few marches myself. There was one person with a bullhorn calling a cadence but it went on for about a half hour and then everyone went back to their lives. No one asked for a signature, money, a vote, anything like that. It was just a message to the local police. And that message was: we're watching you. That's it. Anyone who claims to have been a leader did so entirely separate from these protests.

[OtterMan68]

Depends on the research: has it been vetted? Was it peer-reviewed? What's the track record of the researcher?

[Drewtate]

All those things can be bought

[OtterMan68]

so never trust science?

[SugarSugarplum]

All "science" has squandered their trust.

[lightbulb27]

and live longer if limit calories. women live longer if don't have kids.

[gorydetails]

Woke garbage like this masquerading as science and the utter shit show over the past 4 years with Covid has destroyed my trust in the "scientific community"

[CrabCakes11]

Is science “woke” or doesn’t the truth disagree with you?

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 You understand that three people wrote over 20 bogus papers that were completely embraced by "peer-reviewed" academic journals, right? You do understand that industries lobby scientists to get the results they want to see, right? Or are you just a propaganda parrot?

[CrabCakes11]

I said science, not capitalist trash, right?

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 that’s what’s paraded as science. Well that and 6’ social distancing, people can be more than two genders, I need to pay more taxes to make the weather cooler, shit like that.

[CrabCakes11]

Oh, you’re just a conservative nut. Please dont talk to me

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 you replied to me you dumb cunt.

[CrabCakes11]

lol so emotional

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 and you're so boring.

[CrabCakes11]

Oh no, a loser on the internet called me boring. I’m going to kill myself

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 lol, and yet you're desperate for my attention.

[CrabCakes11]

Somebody has a big ego

[gorydetails]

@CrabCakes11 Just calling a spade a spade.

[PA19062024]

Disregard it. There's no such thing as science anymore. It's been poisoned by politics.

[Drewtate]

My thoughts too.

[RingOfFire]

Frankly I think we should follow the science and all Democrats should be subject to mandatory castration.

[Joshydavid25]

I trust the actual science, and not the people who masquerade as scientists but are actually "activist"..

[DrPepper12]

Trust the science!

*Peer reviewed in a reputable journal of record after multiple rigorous trials, publicly available data and continuing oversight and regulation from a competent government agency free from political influence.

[dolemite58]

Lack of testosterone is terrible for men’s health so It sounds like delusional misandrist nonsense

[Anonymous]

I think we should test this theory on modern men. It’ll also keep the birth rates and rape cases down.

[Mysel]

Do you mean castrating literally any modern male, no one excluded?

[Drewtate]

We are. They are called trans women and they dominate women's sports

[Opinion Owner]

No trans women do not dominate women’s sports. Stop being dramatic.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I trust common sense science. All ish that sounds ridiculous and contrary to common sense I reject.

[Avicenna]

This person isn't a scientist- she is a "storyteller" with an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Bohannan is just another hate driven feminist "researcher". She and her "work" are not worth anyone's attention.