His supporters weren't watching so they don't know the evidence and couldn't give a shit either way. He's their guy. They will vote for him regardless.
He will also never see a second of jail time. So ultimately this whole thing was a waste of everyone's time.
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Impeachment part 3, 4, 5 essentially. The case is good in that it shows that even when someone is the most powerful person in the world, they can be convicted by letter of the law, but conviction without consequence, as in the private sector as well, is about as useful as a snowman in the desert. There are only a select few who have genuinely followed the case, and read about it and can legally see where this is going. Everyone else is on TMZ level, watching 30 second news clips and making sweeping judgements based on "political feeling" and bias for or against Trump, rather than any actual facts of the case. Ironically, how can we be a country of law and order when we disregard it at our earliest convenience or doubt it only when it doesn't align with our political views. Nothing new. It's all been going on since the dawn of politics.
I think nothing will ultimately come from it and he will be re-elected anyway.
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Yeah, as much as I feel one way or the other, people for or against him were already very set in their ways before this trial even began, meaning they aren't changing their views no matter what the verdict had been.
@Kingofkings1992 Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil lost hos relection to someone who was sitting in jail. Even if Trump is somehow in jail on November 5th, he'll be out the next day.
@Kingofkings1992 King, don't even bother arguing with this dude. You're arguing with a guy who had me blocked and then unblocked me just so he could tell me I looked like a pedo.
My thoughts are that Republicans are not strong enough to push forward another candidate (cause Trump is their best chance for white house and various high level positions) and the Democrats hopes that this which hunt with court procedures is enough for the the mainstream newsbroadcasters to spin the news so much that undecided voters either votes for Biden or non at all. Neither of the candidates are good but here we are and the gloves are off for a clear winner.
@Danzigdawson he totally didn’t do nothing for 4 but passed a bill that created jobs for hundreds of people totally didn’t have us more independent totally didn’t start bringing us out of debt totally didn’t have our gas prices lower totally didn’t help the black when they claimed he rasist what you president right now do ohh wait undid what created a lot of job for a lot of people and cost hundred of people job so don’t ever say he sat their and did nothing he did more thing than most people would have considered that the democrats weren’t letting him do nothing don’t you even respond discussion I ain’t trying to reason with a person brain washed by a democrat
😄 I'll respond if I feel like it, shit stain. Here it is: the void of your lame argument is slowly expanding and creating massive black holes of dumbfuckery in the process. It should be studied.
I thought it was going to be a hung jury, honestly. The fact it wasn't genuinely surprised me.
The situation is ripe for appeals though. There was all kinds of wild shit in that trial. Whether those appeals amount to anything; I have no idea, but the appeals are definite there.
This is the most blatant example of political persecution in all of human history. This is a disgrace to the country, and further shows how backwards our justice system is at the moment.
The federal government needs to be crushed completely, and built from scratch to defend the constitution and uphold the rule of law, cause it's doing exactly the opposite of both of those things right now in many parts of the country
Part of me wants him to be re-elected so he cannot be elected ever again... Get it over and done with. The world already thinks the worst of the USA, how much worse could it actually get? 🤡
he'll lose. mark my words on this. there's an underling fervor the national polls just aren't picking up. i think republicans are about to receive rude awakening come election day.
and not only that but once Trump loses. thats it. Republicans are done! they got no one else. they could be done for a whole generation at least.
Anyways every bone in my soul will tell everyone to vote that day and make sure our country doesn't turn full fascist.
yeah i just watched an interview between Bernie sanders and Naomi Klein and they both point out that millennials and gen z are among the most progressive they have ever seen in our countries history. so much so that i can totally see a new progressive era happening here at some point. we just gotta beat trump!
I never voted for trump but in retrospect he definitely was better than Biden. On so many aspects
I didn’t vote for either last time cause I knew Trump was causing turmoil in our country but at the same time, I had a bad feeling about Biden… sure enough. Instance after instance my gut feeling proved to be true
You don't think he'd weasel a way to overcome the term limits amendment? Putin spent a few years as Prime Minister behind a puppet "President", got himself "elected" again and got the term limits removed.
@Danny_dan92 I think you've misunderstood what he's saying. He's not comparing at all, he's mentioning what Putin was able to do and hypothesizing it's possibility in the USA
@Danny_dan92 No, they wouldn't, because they respected the law. Even Bush, who wouldn't have won against Clinton and barely (less than 500 votes) against Gore.
@Danny_dan92 No, not "just like trump did", they were taken by accident, never looked at, and when they were found they were returned and a search welcomed. Trump took his on purpose, showed them to people with no security clearance (in the US, at least), left them lying around in public areas, and hid them from his own lawyers and the authorities. Try reading the important parts of Hur's report, not just his partisan BS.
I'm reading everything y'all are saying and while you're fighting over a dumb political side, Americans will keep having no access to universal healthcare and decent education, our country's debt will keep skyrocketing, our military spending will keep out of control, and a genocide will keep going with our money and weapons... REGARDLESS OF WHO WILL WIN THE UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!
So I ask you Biden and Trump supporters, what are you winning?
@Still-alive, if you can't answer my question, you can just shut up. "Better to keep quiet and let people think you’re an idiot than speak up and confirm it." Have you ever heard that? Start practicing it.
@PointlessNonsenseGuy i watch politics a lot. I can’t exactly tell you but i feel like past elections at least are showing us that a trend and movement has been building in our country. Ill tell you this if all the young voters show up this November like they did for the 2022 midterms, its over. Gen z especially are overwhelmingly democrat and progressive and they will sink republicans badly if they show up.
The uncertainty is if they stay out due to biden fucking up by backing Netanyahu over the israel gaza thing. But most polls show foreign policy is among the least issue’s people care about in elections so there's a decent chance they will still show up.
And also im just overall an optimist so i tend to be hopeful in general while also trying to remain rooted in reality. I just feel it..
@CALIGVLA Without a wide range of parties and proportional representation, you're stuck with losing as little as possible. Trump means losing American democracy, Biden means business as usual, which includes reacting to political pressure.
@goaded right how i see it is this: with biden, progressives still have some wiggle room to push through policies, with Trump it would be neigh impossible.
@goaded, the problem with you guys is that you traded religion for politics, replaced god with "democracy," and think everyone is gullible like you to fall for that bait.
A lot of people are asinine like you indeed, but some can see that politics should be about having defined goals and — fundamentally — delivering positive results that make the Average Joe's life better, which both Trump and Biden failed to do in their presidencies.
@Razp_Sorbet, if there's something clear at this point, it's that both Republicans and Democrats are demented fanatics. The only real difference between them is that Republicans have guns.
@ChefPapiChulo, alright then, garden gnome. Now sit down and watch the adults talk.
Sorry about that, @ Razp. Don't bother with my @ to other users. On my part, I think you're making very interesting points and I appreciate our discussion.
@Still-alive agreed there. The dem dream of the youth showing up, after 40 years of false promises, might actually be happening and the irony is we have the selfish boomers to thank! Life is weird!
Attempted for force the covid vaccines on every American (which was deemed unconstitutional by the way)
Completely botched the Afghan withdrawal
Has been sending ASTRONOMICAL amounts of money to foreign countries, Ukraine/Israel, yet when states that are a part of our own country needed help? He provided little to no help. Hawaii being the most recent one. Imagine. Sending BILLIONS to other countries and then giving the people of Maui 700$ PER HOUSEHOLD for losing everything. Including but not limited to their homes and or loved ones.
Claiming inflation is down and job numbers are up, yet companies across the country from all different sectors are doing mass layoffs.
Lastly, the current border crisis has been ongoing since he’s been president and he ignored it. Had his press secretaries lie and dismiss questions regarding the crisis. And recently he finally tried to push a bill to address the border (when the bill was only giving a small amount of money towards the border issue and most of it was even more money for Ukraine/Israel)
I don’t need to add more. That’s more than enough to prove he’s a shit president…
@CALIGVLA Democracy is not a religion. It is, however, the only way the people have any sort of power in society. The only people who want to give it up are people who want minority rule.
@goaded, the problem with people like you is that you have a kind of Marie Antoinette syndrome. Your answer to everything is "let them eat cake" because you lost touch with reality due to your fanaticism. In your case, you'd tell people to "eat democracy."
We Americans have the most ruthless elites in the world, they are like feudal masters and can do pretty much everything and go unpunished.
We Americans have no access to universal healthcare. If we or one of our family members get sick, the hospital bills will be terrific and we'd be at risk of going homeless.
We don't see the money we pay in taxes being converted into anything good for us. Neither Republicans nor Democrats do shit to change anything, they're status quo parties.
Yet we have reactionary little shits like you telling us to eat cake and that everything, we just need to keep believing that some day our politicians will stop taking us for granted.
@CALIGVLA "people like you" hm. It's hard to get things passed that people want, but every inch of progress over the last hundred years has come from democracy. Getting rid of it is never going to be good for anybody but the rich and powerful.
Yes, you need to elect better politicians, but if you think both parties are the same you're nuts. All Republicans are publically opposed to things like universal healthcare, only some Democrats are. There's a reason the CRA, FMLA, PPACA, etc. were mostly passed under Democratic presidents (Ike signed the 1960's bill, Bush I vetoed the 1990 CRA), and the reason the PPACA didn't include a government option (a huge step towards universal health care) was down to one independent senator (Lieberman).
@ChefPapiChulo Marie Antoinette, the last queen of France, famously was told that the common people didn't have bread to eat and supposedly said "can't they eat cake?". It's a phrase meant to show distance from regular people's experiences.
@CALIGVLA is using it wrong. Democracy should be the answer to people like Marie Antoinette, but if you spend enough money and you can convince people to vote against their own interests and that having an immensely wealthy ruling class is a good thing.
I don't think they want to bother spending that money any more.
Correction: "if you spend enough money you can convince people to vote against their own interests and that having an immensely wealthy ruling class is a good thing."
@goaded it's an actual medical thing. Hair on scalp suddenly turning white. Her hair allegedly turned white the night before her last walk to the guillotine
@goaded also, comparing people who were starving before the French Revolution, to Americans today (who aren't starving) is completely insane. Considering that the French Revolution was started to overthrow a monarchy, where this nut job @CALIGVLA is suggesting we suspend democracy, for who knows what.
The man is on crack and is on his 3-4th account because he keeps getting banned.
@ChefPapiChulo, I'm a member since 7/4/2022 and never got banned. But you will if you don't stop trolling and I report your offensive comments. You can start being civil or keep trolling and face the consequences, I'll let you choose.
@goaded, it's a metaphor for people like you, who display a Marie Antoinette's-like attitude in the sense that you believe that everything is good when it obviously isn't.
If we want democracy in the US, we have to build it from scratch since we don't have one right now , seeing as the current political system in the US can be classified an oligarchy or even a plutocracy. But everything is good, right?
@CALIGVLA It's an awful metaphor. When are things ever okay? And how does America rebuild from scratch? And what would the result look like? You don't even argue with saying that powerful people are bad and exploitative, but haven't given proper reasoning as to finding a solution or explaining what is bad. You brought up that we traded religion for politics, but what does this even mean? You're all over the place man and need a class in learning how to create a proper argument with points and sound logic.
@CALIGVLA When did I ever say "everything is good"? What I'm saying is that it's not as bad as some people would like you to believe and that getting rid of democracy would be a disaster because it would get rid of any power the people have over their government.
@ChefPapiChulo, boy, it's not my fault that that was the 1st time you heard of Marie Antoinette. You'd know who she was if you had cracked a book open or read up on history, and for that reason, given your obvious ignorance on the subject, you have no place to claim that my metaphor was bad.
By the way, why should I waste my time trying to convince you that the status quo is bad?
Americans are in desperate need of comprehensive working rights in order to have some stability, universal healthcare not to get broke or even die of a treatable condition, and decent education not to be clueless like you on important subjects like history. Not you, though, because you're not willing to fight for those rights, and you deserve what the status quo has to offer.
You already have the life you deserve. No prospects, no stability, a life no one would ever wish upon themselves.
@goaded, wow! I can vote for a politician who will never represent my legitimate interests because we have a "representative democracy" without representation since the system is rigged. 🙌
Next time I need to pay a hospital bill, I'll do it with my vote! 🤣
By the way, I like Jill Stein and will vote for her, despite knowing that she has no chance to win.
@ChefPapiChulo, that's your opinion. Now enjoy your life as a social destitute with no prospects and stability, and cross your fingers not to fall ill, or you'll go homeless.
@CALIGVLA Mybe you should try and convince people around you to vote the way you do. Or that they shouldn't vote for people who aren't willing to change the system to make it fairer. The fact is that enough people decide to change things, things will change.
Now I’m gonna say something because this opinion almost has 100 responses. And a good amount of people haven’t responded in awhile. If you want to continue arguing. Message each other and stfu.
The most corrupt pathetic attempt at getting rid of a political opponent. The demokkkrats are doing exactly what they tried to impeach Trump for during his presidency. Demokkkrat party is by far the most corrupt organization to have ever existed in America.
@mattperry95 How? Are they creating an imaginary world in which a failed, criminal ex-president who didn't do squat for 4 years will magically make america great again without any kind of plan other than to use the country's government to have his childish revenge over people who said he was an idiot? Are they dividing left and right even further on purpose? Are they supporting putin's little bitch trump? Are they empowering white supremacists and far-right extremists? Are they attacking the media and freedom of press just because they're not portraying them in a positive light? Are they forming a cult out of a political party? Are they inciting an angry crowd to invade the capitol and injure police officers and then say it never happened? Do they falsely claim that an election was rigged without any kind of proof just because their candidate lost? Are they making a hero out of a 17 year old zits-riddled loser who shot two people because someone was throwing a plastic bag at him? Are they mismanaging a pandemic? Do they want to have the right to assassinate political opponents like MTG does?
@mattperry95 Do they claim that jewish space lasers are an actual, real threat to the country? Do they hate catholics like it's 1876 all over again? Are they longing for a civil war as if it's something that will better the country? Are they relying on political scapegoating to fuel anger and blame their opponents for all the country's problems and woes like a certain fascist movement that came into power in Europe back in the 1930's did? Are they denouncing so-called "show trials" while dreaming of setting up their own, genuine show trials? Do they think they live in a fascist state as they openly dream of setting up their own just to settle scores of a pathetic old orange moron? Do they have an actual political program or just petty feelings such as anger, hate, fear and fantasy? Do they call dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers"? Are they inventing something like "pizzagate", make a big deal out of it and then never talk about it again, proving that they're lying sacks of shit who'll just say anything to stir people up?
Are they using idiots like you to gain absolute power and to escape jail? Are they making a big ridiculous deal out of the fact that there were less people at their own candidate's presidential inauguration than there was at Obama's? Are they trying to impeach presidents whose skin color they don't like by falsely claiming something as stupid as the suspicion that they weren't born in the US? Are they stupid idiots who believe that climate change is a myth even when forrest fires are burning everywhere in the world? Are they crooked business assholes who falisfy records and lie about the value of their estate so they can defraud banks? Are they saying that rape is cool just for the shock value of such an shit-stain grade statement? Do they steal top secret government files and keep them stacked in a basement's bathroom, refuse to return them and then victimize themselves when the FBI shows up to take them back? Did they attempt to blackmail and or bribe officials to overturn election results? Are they claiming to represent america, knkwing that they lost the popular vote?
No problem, sodomite by mushroom. Wait here while I do your homework and copy and paste what's been available to see for everyone, everywhere on the net for a couple of months or even years.
But first, I've got to tell you that I do believe that if you're ok with all that's listed above, a couple of felonies on top of it all will surely change your mind. Surely.
Where's all of this info that you were going to "copy and paste" princess. Sodomite by mushroom? Really princess? A bit redundant, don't ya think?
Yes they're creating an imaginary world that makes Trump a criminal. Try researching laws before you post and leave no doubt of your stupidity. You fucking puppet.
Actually they're using idiots like you. You're just too stupid to see it.
You actually think I'm still waiting? How fucking stupid can you be? I'm pointing out the fact that you're nothing more than a liberal puppet. I bet your parents pet names for each other are bro and sis 😂. Try doing some real research for a change princess. Fucking moron.
You are indeed stupid. You didn't seem to pick up on my sarcasm in the first place... and even if you did, you came back days later as if I didn't forget about this uneventful conversation, which is apparently very, very important to you, given your apparent emotional investment, betrayed by your twitchy prose.
Then, after I reminded you of how much of an idiot you are, you felt the need to humiliate yourself some more by throwing a hissy fit, using my own insults as if you came up with them, acting up as if you believed that you could intimidate in one way or another.
It's OK if you have a micropenis. It's not your own fault and it's a medical condition. You may not be able to properly penetrate a woman or a man, but you still have heart, kiddo. Don't try to compensate by driving a pick-up truck or by lifting weights: it will only make it even more obvious that you're barely bumpy down there.
I'm still voting for him on November. rather have a criminal who cares about his country as a president than a demented pedophile traitor who exploits the country he claims to lead and his people for his own incomes
lol talk about shaking your finger at one candidate and calling him a pedophile and turning a blind eye at your own. There are literally pictures of Donald Trump and Jeffery Epstein hugging and taking pictures with each other all over the internet. Trump is even found in Jefferey Epstein’s private flight logs to his private pedophile island and you only call Biden the pedophile? You’re delusional buddy.
If you don’t want to vote for a pedophile you might as well just not vote in the U. S. presidential election.
Not to mention the popular vote doesn’t even determine who the wins the election either. It’s all about those electoral votes which is how Trump even won in the first election. Hillary had more votes than him but hey keep believing that our votes really count 🤣
@snowboarder720 oh really? have you ever heard of photoshop? also here I have a video of Biden proving me right about me calling him a pedophile while proving that you are the real delusional moron who's turning the blind eye
and yeah those same exact electoral votes are what helped Biden win 2020, along with those mail in votes do to covid19. seriously buddy, if you dont want to fall into depression you best reframe yourself from talking about politics with me
@snowboarder720 nope, that's more like you buddy. you must really suffer from the same level of dementia as Biden if you believe that just because someone took pictures with Epstein that they must automatically fucked his underage victims on the down low. but FYI Epstein was a multi billionaire that threw a lot of parties and envited lots of celebrities, politics, etc to them just like Hugh Hefner did when he threw parties at the Playboy Mansion.
so assuming such nonsense just because they took picture with a guy is just plain retarded. till then when you find actual footage of Trump doing half of the things Biden has done on the videos I uploaded then I will gladly agree with you
@snowboarder720 wasting time? you envaded my opinion first buddy, not my fault you did not get the outcome you thought you were entitled to. if anything you did worst with your own dialogue from the start because not only did you failed to bring your evidence to the table but your dialogue is based on nothing but black and white perspective
and they do it all the time in the business world... it's called power and is normal. THAT IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE... in a position where someone with $ feels necessity to pay you for your knowledge. Knowing patent domain might be huge wealth maker for you given your smarts. Companies pay well for that. I've seen people get paid hansomly because their names were on patents. Standard in USA, not sure about other countries. Lesson in all of this... be careful with women... and in my opinion... make sure you are honoring the woman... or else:)
Had he simply come out in advance and confessed, admitted... bought a painting off of her to compensate hersince she was poor, proped up her ego... there'd be no problems. Lying, covering up, and for gods sake... thinking ya can keep a messed up, manipulative, low self worth, poorly raised, "porn star" from talking... that is the definition of "doesn't understand women".
It will focus the average Republican voter on what they're supporting. That's a good thing, because most people don't really pay attention to politics.
More than 100 million Americans do not believe he received a fair trial. Polling before the trial showed it was believed to be political and it was. And it will work. And it will never be forgotten and trust will not be repaired.
@Jersey2 They only believed that because Trump lied about everything. A jury of citizens has found him guilty of the crimes he was accused of. That's hard to shrug off, if you're not a cult member.
From the evidence I saw, it’s the right outcome but he is never going to jail. People need to understand that. It’s a huge security risk of many kinds for a former US president to actually be imprisoned.
He’ll appeal until it’s overturned or he will win the election and pardon himself.
This won’t change the minds of Trump fans. From what I have seen from the fallout it only seems to strengthen their resolve.
@captain_voidwalker No, he was convicted because a jury saw the evidence and found it convincing beyond a reasonable doubt. The rule of law, remember that?
@captain_voidwalker What do you have against the US justice system? It's not perfect, but it's worked pretty well for a couple of centuries (and longer, as British justice).
@goaded, you’re are a ridiculous hypocrite. You know damn well you’re only in favor of our corrupt and borderline useless “justice” system TODAY. Because you saw the verdict YOU wanted. If it had gone the other way, you’d be talking about corruption just like the people you THINK you’re so different from.
Goaded is a biased idiot. Period. If you two wanna continue to knock sense into his head go for it. But I refuse to waste my time with ignorant people that are so bought by their beliefs
What do I have against it. We'll let's give a fine example. Classified documents cases. Trump , biden, Clinton bill and Hillary, Bush Sr and Jr, all have evidence that they took Classified documents. Why is only trump bieng prosecuted for it. Thats my problem, it's not bieng used as a tool to enforce the law. It's bieng used as a political cudgel. Here's another example January6th rioters and black lives matter rioters. Both committed crimes yet only one getting prosecuted. And hypocrite like you are willing to turn a blind eye because it's working in your favor... for now. You'll be the first cryingxabout it when those in power flip the switch and use it against you
@captain_voidwalker If only there was some way to know why "only trump bieng prosecuted for it". Oh, wait, there is:
Hur report on Biden: "In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute." (page 6) and "In reaching our decision, we did not consider every circumstance m which criminal charges against a former president or vice president for mishandling classified information may be warranted. But on the facts of this case, "the fundamental interests of society" do not "require" criminal charges against Mr. Biden. For this additional reason, applying the Principles of Federal Prosecution set forth in the Justice Manual, we decline prosecution." (page 11).
Hur report on Trump. also page 11: "It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
@Amy10223 I'm not trying to convince them, I'm pointing out their lies. Those who haven't blocked me because they don't believe in free speech, anyway.
@chazmatazz269 I'm happy with the result because it's the correct conclusion based on the evidence presented. Trump could have paid Daniels to be quiet and registered it as a campaign expense with a nondescript title like "exclusive consultancy fee", and it would probably have been legal. Instead, he chose to falsify business records to hide what was essentially a $130,000 campaign contribution.
In all four cases, if Trump were demonstrably innocent, he wouldn't have spent the last year or more and millions of dollars on delaying the trials as long as possible.
I figured you'd just hand wave it away. I get it you want to live in a 3rd world nation. You want to be a slave. Well as a famous man once said "may your chains rest lightly upon you"
@Danny_dan92 If you'd blocked me I couldn't be responding to your opinion.
@captain_voidwalker Waving what away? I gave you the Hur report's explanation for why Biden wasn't charged and Trump was, and pointed out that thousands of BLM rioters were charged with crimes. That's all.
You're proving my point with hurs report. The Department of Justice is biased. If biden had so much as a classified letterhead, he committed a felony. l since he was a senator with no powers of declassification, unlike trump, who had universal power of declassification as president. But you wouldn't know that be ause you live in a bubble and ignore anything that threatens your world view
@captain_voidwalker I'm in a bubble? Pence also got caught with secret documents but neither he nor Biden were prosecuted because they cooperated with the authorities. People make mistakes, and the law is not always an ass, if you do the right thing.
"... after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
Trump also cooperated. He locked the in a secure location as per the national archived and fbi's instructions. Then out if fucking nowhere the fbi authorized a raid on Mara'Lago. But hey I get it the left needs to beat trump with bogus legal charges because lord knows they can't beat him on policy. I mean just look what a shit show 4 years of biden made out of the nation.
@captain_voidwalker No, he didn't. He did everything he's accused of. "he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it." Hur's report.
They even gave Trump advance notice of the search!
And according to multiple on the ground law enforcement officers trump was cooperating. Also I don't fucking care of biden was cooperating. If I murder someone and the cooperate with authorities guess what I still murdered someone. The law is the fucking law and should be enforced unilaterally. Again you are proving my point.
@captain_voidwalker Are you joking, or just crazy? Trump and his useful idiots have started claiming the FBI were prepared to assassinate him in the search while he wasn't even in the same state.
Tell me you've never exceeded a speed limit, even by 1mph. That's what unintentionally keeping government documents is to a VP, while "... after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
@captain_voidwalker If I'm ignorant, explain what I'm ignorant about. You know I'm not, and that you're just full of shit. Trump "not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
@goaded, you have clearly chosen ignorance. You always have. This is the last time i indulge you. Then we can go our separate ways permanently. You aren’t the first person to suggest a better way to game the system than Drumpf attempted. If he is, as you and your ilk suggest, the root of all evil, he certainly would have known what YOU know unless YOU are somehow EQUALLY evil. Care to explain yourself in a way that maintains your moral superiority? Of course not. He failed to cover his tracks like an experienced criminal for a few possible reasons. 1) He’s NOT the career criminal everyone thinks he is. 2) He’s a complete dumbass of a criminal. 3) I dunno. Maybe “few” was stretching the possibilities. It can’t be all of the above, AND he gets away with EVERYTHING for SEVEN DECADES! If you’re even a LITTLE left leaning like me, you likely believe that literally EVERY rich prick on the planet is a criminal in multiple fashions. Which means Drumpf is NOT a complete idiot or completely ignorant. What’s left? Hhmmmm…. oh… he didn’t actually commit a crime. He’s a dumbshit who took shitty advice from the criminals he associated with who were already jailed for these crimes before Drumpf’s trial even started. More than a decade after it COULD have started, because it is and always has been a means to marginalize the democratic party’s primary political rival. Dig through EVERY post of mine from day one until this very second. You’ll NEVER find a single sentence from me touting the republican party line or hugging on Drumpf’s nuts. I defy ANYONE to prove otherwise. This trial was shady as fuck. If you refuse to admit that, you aren’t even remotely interested in “justice”, let alone a healthy democracy. You have an agenda, and if Drumpf deserves jail time, so do you.
Again, at no time have i EVER defended Drumpf. As always, you’re straw manning because you can’t actually form a meaningful argument to support your nonsense. I am poking holes in YOUR rhetoric that Drumpf is some kind of criminal mastermind who had previously gone seven decades without detection and got caught for crimes that “good” citizens like yourself claim are EASY to avoid getting caught up in. The farce is that you claim there’s ANYTHING resembling “justice” involved in the trial that resulted in his conviction. It was 100% politically motivated and there’s nothing you can do to prove otherwise because EVERY charge could have been proven over a decade ago. You’re clown shoes, homie. And now you’re blocked because despite my giving you dozens of warnings, you REFUSE to apply reason to anything you bring to my content. I’m happy to educate anyone. But you repeatedly choose ignorance. I have nothing more for you and you have literally never offered anything to me or any other intelligent and rational mind on this platform. Buh bye.
@Chazmatazz269 Well, my feed tells me that last message was yours, but you blocked me before you posted it, so I can't read it without having to fiddle a bit.
Firstly, how could crimes committed after 2016 have been charged ten years ago?
Denegrating the justice system that's finally found a way to bring Trump to account is supporting Trump's narrative. Thus, it is supporting him. Remember, Cohen went to prison for committing the underlying election finance crime, but Trump was only an unindicted co-conspirator because he was president at the time.
It would only have taken one standout (like the juror who got his news from truth social) to result in a hung jury, but the jury unanimously found him guilty on all counts, based on the evidence.
Should there be more convictions of rich businesspeople who cheat on their taxes? Hell yes, which is what funding the IRS is for.
Lol you actualy think those new irs agents are going after rich people... you are a fucking moron. Those agents are to go after people like waitresses and people who earn money via tips/ donations where it's easy to hide your actual income.
Also I'll say this. Anyone who cheats on thier taxes is a hero to me. I've seen what our government does with tax money, stupid ahit like funding wars in Ukraine. At least if people keep thier money instead of letting the government steal it, that money might go to more productive ends or at least to provide for thier families.
@captain_voidwalker You do realise that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you, don't you?
@captain_voidwalker I repeat, try reading it this time: "refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you".
@captain_voidwalker You mean "weapons of mass destruction" under Bush and "epstien killed himself" under Trump? Nobody's ever claimed "the border [is] totally secure".
Try once more to comprehend: "refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you". (I do neither.)
@captain_voidwalker You don't think it's true that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you? OK, so you don't believe that eating lead is bad for you? Or drinking bleach? Or smoking?
Or are you referring to the two Republican administrations who were in charge when Bush invaded Iraq and Epstein killed himself? Even then, most of what came out of the government was true.
Firstly I'm not a republican they suck just as much as the democrats. 2nd I don't need a government to tell me those things are bad, infact in the case of lead I'm pretty sure government for decades said it was harmless until wouldn't ya know it the private sector proved it was harmful and they had to change thier tune.
@captain_voidwalker The tobacco industry lied about the dangers of smoking, the Surgeon General released a report about it in the 1960s (since when smoking has reduced dramatically). My point is clearly that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you.
And... your point. Again it dosen't take a government agency for me to figure out that inhaling smoke isn't good for you lungs. Also I never claimed "everything" the government said was a lie just most of it. Especially when it's to fulfill an agenda. Your the one who thinks you should just accept whatever government says. I personally think it's good practice to question anything government says and if verify that it holds up to scrutiny. But I know thinking for yourself is hard and it's just so much easier to let the government think for you.
@captain_voidwalker For centuries people thought smoking was harmless. You're obviously smarter than all of them. OK, so "just most of it", fine, so why specifically do you not believe "the IRS will also ensure audit rates do not increase for those earning less than $400,000 a year"?
Simple 1st. they won't make any return in investment. People with that amount of money have teams of lawyers and accountants to make sure thier taxes are all good. The average person by comparison has no such protection. So when the irs sends you a letter saying cough up 1000$ your gonna pay because you can't afford a lawyer to fight it. And 2nd there just not enough rich people to justify 80k agents but there sure are a lot regular people they can fuck over.
@captain_voidwalker "CBO estimates that portions of the Administration’s proposal to increase funding for the IRS by $80 billion over the 2022–2031 period would increase revenues by approximately $200 billion over those 10 years."
The whole point of the extra funding is to hire people who can take on their "teams of lawyers and accountants", and, frankly, that's where the money is.
"there just not enough rich people to justify 80k agents" The "top 1%" is 3 million people. The top 0.1% is still 300,000 people, and you just said you'd need a team of agents to take each of them on.
Increased funding for the IRS famously always has a positive return on investment.
Is that supposed to mean something? Firstly, about 70 billion will be wasted on those new agents salaries. Secondly that wouldn't even cover what our government wasted on 1 of the Ukraine funding packages So where do you think they're gonna find that extra money they need.
150% over 10 years is abysmal not entirely 0 but still a shitty roi. And unless there's a massive reduction in government spending it's like trying to drain a lake with an eye dropper. Here is a better plan, institute a flat 5% income tax for everyone and liquidate the entire irs instead. Government gets less money which is good because they do nothing but eastern it. And private citizens get more money which is good everyone's quality of life goes up.
@captain_voidwalker It's not 150% over 10 years, it's 150% every year; the money's not all spent on day one. Put $8Bn in each year, get $20Bn in extra revenues each year.
It massively more than pays for itself, so it's not "wasted money".
Well government spends on average now 1 trillion dollars every 100 days. Congrats if the irs can pull another 3.4 trillion dollars per year out it's ass it might break even. So again fuck the irs let the people keep thier money it's in better hands
Unless you curtail government spending what's the point. And again that money is in better hands in the private sector. Honestly we should all refuse to pay our taxes until some accountability is had for confesses gross negligence on the national budget.
Seen it coming honestly. Tired of people who do anything to show they suck trump's dick for a living honestly and just want trump to piss on them and america in anyway he feels like. I just want a good normal reasonable president and life again.
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No one here is getting it. This has all been hashed up wayyyy before of all this trial witch hunt crap began. It is being done on purpose and with 12 bias jurors (so obvious) they think they can stop a good President from being President again. Will not work.
34 counts & over 24 million dollars spend. At this point I just laugh because regardless on who gets the presidency our country will still be a laughingstock.
Of all the election interference claims from Bush VS Gore (Re-count Scandal), Clinton vs Trump (Russia Disinformation) and Trump vs Biden (Mail-in Ballot), this seems to me to be the only real form of election interference.
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Of course he was. The evidence was overwhelming.
His supporters weren't watching so they don't know the evidence and couldn't give a shit either way. He's their guy. They will vote for him regardless.
He will also never see a second of jail time. So ultimately this whole thing was a waste of everyone's time.
Impeachment part 3, 4, 5 essentially. The case is good in that it shows that even when someone is the most powerful person in the world, they can be convicted by letter of the law, but conviction without consequence, as in the private sector as well, is about as useful as a snowman in the desert. There are only a select few who have genuinely followed the case, and read about it and can legally see where this is going. Everyone else is on TMZ level, watching 30 second news clips and making sweeping judgements based on "political feeling" and bias for or against Trump, rather than any actual facts of the case. Ironically, how can we be a country of law and order when we disregard it at our earliest convenience or doubt it only when it doesn't align with our political views. Nothing new. It's all been going on since the dawn of politics.
This Anonymous male has the best answer right here. Truth.
I think nothing will ultimately come from it and he will be re-elected anyway.
Yeah, as much as I feel one way or the other, people for or against him were already very set in their ways before this trial even began, meaning they aren't changing their views no matter what the verdict had been.
Tim Pool thinks that this will actually increase Trump in to polls.
@BCRanger10 who?
@snowboarder720 lmao are people citing Tim Pool?
I’ll be leaving America if Biden gets reelected
@Kingofkings1992 Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil lost hos relection to someone who was sitting in jail. Even if Trump is somehow in jail on November 5th, he'll be out the next day.
Trump is the next Hitler.
Don the con
@ChefPapiChulo okay
@ChefPapiChulo Hitler? What a joke. leave this discussion for the adults, please
@Kingofkings1992 Hitler spent time in jail for his coup.
@Kingofkings1992 King, don't even bother arguing with this dude. You're arguing with a guy who had me blocked and then unblocked me just so he could tell me I looked like a pedo.
@ChefPapiChulo what is your objection to Trump? don’t like America doing well? do you wanna 4 years of this bullshit?
Want another 4*
@Kingofkings1992 cringe.
But a felon as POTUS? I don't know.
You would watch Tim Pool and then cite him.
@Kingofkings1992 that's what all of MAGA says. Where ya gonna go?
@DrPepper12 Asia. Maybe the Philippines
@Kingofkings1992 not if they practice what MAGA preaches. Build the wall! 🤣
@snowboarder720 huh? I don’t know what’s inspiring you to say random things. I won’t try to get inside the mind of a brain dead Biden supporter
I never said that I supported Biden either. This dude here is more delusional the minute 😆 anti Trump doesn’t mean pro Biden.
My thoughts are that Republicans are not strong enough to push forward another candidate (cause Trump is their best chance for white house and various high level positions) and the Democrats hopes that this which hunt with court procedures is enough for the the mainstream newsbroadcasters to spin the news so much that undecided voters either votes for Biden or non at all. Neither of the candidates are good but here we are and the gloves are off for a clear winner.
@Danzigdawson he totally didn’t do nothing for 4 but passed a bill that created jobs for hundreds of people totally didn’t have us more independent totally didn’t start bringing us out of debt totally didn’t have our gas prices lower totally didn’t help the black when they claimed he rasist what you president right now do ohh wait undid what created a lot of job for a lot of people and cost hundred of people job so don’t ever say he sat their and did nothing he did more thing than most people would have considered that the democrats weren’t letting him do nothing don’t you even respond discussion I ain’t trying to reason with a person brain washed by a democrat
😄 I'll respond if I feel like it, shit stain. Here it is: the void of your lame argument is slowly expanding and creating massive black holes of dumbfuckery in the process. It should be studied.
I thought it was going to be a hung jury, honestly. The fact it wasn't genuinely surprised me.
The situation is ripe for appeals though. There was all kinds of wild shit in that trial. Whether those appeals amount to anything; I have no idea, but the appeals are definite there.
This is the most blatant example of political persecution in all of human history. This is a disgrace to the country, and further shows how backwards our justice system is at the moment.
The federal government needs to be crushed completely, and built from scratch to defend the constitution and uphold the rule of law, cause it's doing exactly the opposite of both of those things right now in many parts of the country
Part of me wants him to be re-elected so he cannot be elected ever again... Get it over and done with. The world already thinks the worst of the USA, how much worse could it actually get? 🤡
US > NZ
@ChefPapiChulo respectfully disagree
Trump's pretty old.
If he loses in 2024, I don't think he can run again in 2028.
Although he does seem to have a lot of energy.
he'll lose. mark my words on this. there's an underling fervor the national polls just aren't picking up. i think republicans are about to receive rude awakening come election day.
and not only that but once Trump loses. thats it. Republicans are done! they got no one else. they could be done for a whole generation at least.
Anyways every bone in my soul will tell everyone to vote that day and make sure our country doesn't turn full fascist.
@Still-alive absolutely I am hopeful that gen z will get out and vote. Politics is so depressing and aggravating even here now
yeah i just watched an interview between Bernie sanders and Naomi Klein and they both point out that millennials and gen z are among the most progressive they have ever seen in our countries history. so much so that i can totally see a new progressive era happening here at some point. we just gotta beat trump!
I never voted for trump but in retrospect he definitely was better than Biden. On so many aspects
I didn’t vote for either last time cause I knew Trump was causing turmoil in our country but at the same time, I had a bad feeling about Biden… sure enough. Instance after instance my gut feeling proved to be true
Good point - he could actually run and run again and again if he loses. Nightmare!
Actually, NZ has you and you’re a queen. So, maybe it’s NZ > US.
@Still-alive Can I ask why you think there's an underlying fervor? The polls seem close but Trump is ahead in more of them than Biden.
You don't think he'd weasel a way to overcome the term limits amendment? Putin spent a few years as Prime Minister behind a puppet "President", got himself "elected" again and got the term limits removed.
You’re comparing a communist country to the US. You’re so ignorant it’s insane.
If what you’re saying is true both Bush and Obama would’ve tried running a 3rd time.
@goaded
@goaded I suppose that's always a possibility especially given breaches to amendments have already taken place.
@Danny_dan92 I think you've misunderstood what he's saying. He's not comparing at all, he's mentioning what Putin was able to do and hypothesizing it's possibility in the USA
@PointlessNonsenseGuy I just flat out don’t trust the polls. They have been wrong too many times by now.
Given the context. Sure. But to say it with full faced confidence? Doubtful honestly
I believe he should’ve said “that it could be a possibility” like you said, is that what he said? No. He said it as if it WOULD happen
@Danny_dan92 No, they wouldn't, because they respected the law. Even Bush, who wouldn't have won against Clinton and barely (less than 500 votes) against Gore.
Biden held classified documents just like trump did… and have you heard of Biden’s daughter’s diary? Ohhh man…
Prob not cause you’re biased by the looks of it
@goaded always whataboutisms with these idiots huh? Lol
@Danny_dan92 No, not "just like trump did", they were taken by accident, never looked at, and when they were found they were returned and a search welcomed. Trump took his on purpose, showed them to people with no security clearance (in the US, at least), left them lying around in public areas, and hid them from his own lawyers and the authorities. Try reading the important parts of Hur's report, not just his partisan BS.
I'm reading everything y'all are saying and while you're fighting over a dumb political side, Americans will keep having no access to universal healthcare and decent education, our country's debt will keep skyrocketing, our military spending will keep out of control, and a genocide will keep going with our money and weapons... REGARDLESS OF WHO WILL WIN THE UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!
So I ask you Biden and Trump supporters, what are you winning?
@CALIGVLA lol the condescension…
@Still-alive, if you can't answer my question, you can just shut up. "Better to keep quiet and let people think you’re an idiot than speak up and confirm it." Have you ever heard that? Start practicing it.
@Still-alive I get why you don't trust the polls, but why are you so sure Trump is going to get blown out?
Why are you so sure the polls are overestimating Trump's support, instead of underestimating it?
@CALIGVLA you don’t deserve an answer with your attitude lol.
@PointlessNonsenseGuy i watch politics a lot. I can’t exactly tell you but i feel like past elections at least are showing us that a trend and movement has been building in our country. Ill tell you this if all the young voters show up this November like they did for the 2022 midterms, its over. Gen z especially are overwhelmingly democrat and progressive and they will sink republicans badly if they show up.
The uncertainty is if they stay out due to biden fucking up by backing Netanyahu over the israel gaza thing. But most polls show foreign policy is among the least issue’s people care about in elections so there's a decent chance they will still show up.
And also im just overall an optimist so i tend to be hopeful in general while also trying to remain rooted in reality. I just feel it..
@CALIGVLA Without a wide range of parties and proportional representation, you're stuck with losing as little as possible. Trump means losing American democracy, Biden means business as usual, which includes reacting to political pressure.
@goaded right how i see it is this: with biden, progressives still have some wiggle room to push through policies, with Trump it would be neigh impossible.
@goaded, the problem with you guys is that you traded religion for politics, replaced god with "democracy," and think everyone is gullible like you to fall for that bait.
A lot of people are asinine like you indeed, but some can see that politics should be about having defined goals and — fundamentally — delivering positive results that make the Average Joe's life better, which both Trump and Biden failed to do in their presidencies.
Insane how religion always get brought up in these conversations 🥴
@Razp_Sorbet, politics is your religion.
@CALIGVLA absolutely not. I don't worship and have never worshipped any prime minister or leader of a country.
@Razp_Sorbet, I'll trust your words then. My question still applies to all the others, who support Biden or Trump.
I have yet to see how those two have done any good for our country.
@CALIGVLA no one cares about what you think.
@ChefPapiChulo, you cared enough to @ me, you midget.
@CALIGVLA I never understood why people like to use that line. Replying to you doesn’t mean that I care what you have to say.
@CALIGVLA I mean I agree, neither have been great. But one has a cult following... The other does not. And that's pretty scary.
@ChefPapiChulo, you cared enough to @ me again, garden gnome. Thanks for your attention!
@CALIGVLA I don’t think you’re getting it lol. Replying to you doesn’t mean that I care.
@Razp_Sorbet, if there's something clear at this point, it's that both Republicans and Democrats are demented fanatics. The only real difference between them is that Republicans have guns.
@ChefPapiChulo, cared enough to @ me for the 3rd time, garden gnome. Thanks for your attention again!
@CALIGVLA there’s no hope for your stupidity.
@ChefPapiChulo, alright then, garden gnome. Now sit down and watch the adults talk.
Sorry about that, @ Razp. Don't bother with my @ to other users. On my part, I think you're making very interesting points and I appreciate our discussion.
Interesting take.
@PointlessNonsenseGuy rumored to be Adderall
@Still-alive kinda of agree with anxiety. If you count the Nikki Haley none of the above 15% he can't possibly win without them.
@Still-alive agreed there. The dem dream of the youth showing up, after 40 years of false promises, might actually be happening and the irony is we have the selfish boomers to thank! Life is weird!
@Danny_dan92 what were Biden's failures? Real question
@Danny_dan92 Russia is an oligarchy, not communist.
Bush and obama didn't have a following like trump
@Danny_dan92 Biden conducted his own search and notified HS & NSA immediately.
What's in the stolen diary that's damaging?
@CALIGVLA is 100% right. Keep them distracted so they won't see how they're getting fucked! THATS A FOLLOW!
Attempted for force the covid vaccines on every American (which was deemed unconstitutional by the way)
Completely botched the Afghan withdrawal
Has been sending ASTRONOMICAL amounts of money to foreign countries, Ukraine/Israel, yet when states that are a part of our own country needed help? He provided little to no help. Hawaii being the most recent one. Imagine. Sending BILLIONS to other countries and then giving the people of Maui 700$ PER HOUSEHOLD for losing everything. Including but not limited to their homes and or loved ones.
Claiming inflation is down and job numbers are up, yet companies across the country from all different sectors are doing mass layoffs.
Lastly, the current border crisis has been ongoing since he’s been president and he ignored it. Had his press secretaries lie and dismiss questions regarding the crisis. And recently he finally tried to push a bill to address the border (when the bill was only giving a small amount of money towards the border issue and most of it was even more money for Ukraine/Israel)
I don’t need to add more. That’s more than enough to prove he’s a shit president…
@goaded right on!! 💯
@CALIGVLA Democracy is not a religion. It is, however, the only way the people have any sort of power in society. The only people who want to give it up are people who want minority rule.
@goaded, the problem with people like you is that you have a kind of Marie Antoinette syndrome. Your answer to everything is "let them eat cake" because you lost touch with reality due to your fanaticism. In your case, you'd tell people to "eat democracy."
We Americans have the most ruthless elites in the world, they are like feudal masters and can do pretty much everything and go unpunished.
We Americans have no access to universal healthcare. If we or one of our family members get sick, the hospital bills will be terrific and we'd be at risk of going homeless.
We don't see the money we pay in taxes being converted into anything good for us. Neither Republicans nor Democrats do shit to change anything, they're status quo parties.
Yet we have reactionary little shits like you telling us to eat cake and that everything, we just need to keep believing that some day our politicians will stop taking us for granted.
@CALIGVLA "people like you" hm. It's hard to get things passed that people want, but every inch of progress over the last hundred years has come from democracy. Getting rid of it is never going to be good for anybody but the rich and powerful.
Yes, you need to elect better politicians, but if you think both parties are the same you're nuts. All Republicans are publically opposed to things like universal healthcare, only some Democrats are. There's a reason the CRA, FMLA, PPACA, etc. were mostly passed under Democratic presidents (Ike signed the 1960's bill, Bush I vetoed the 1990 CRA), and the reason the PPACA didn't include a government option (a huge step towards universal health care) was down to one independent senator (Lieberman).
@CALIGVLA do you mean “eat your cake and have it too?” This dude is on crack talking absolute nonsense.
@CALIGVLA what the fuck do you think Marie Antoinette syndrome is? You’re an idiot.
@ChefPapiChulo Marie Antoinette, the last queen of France, famously was told that the common people didn't have bread to eat and supposedly said "can't they eat cake?". It's a phrase meant to show distance from regular people's experiences.
@CALIGVLA is using it wrong. Democracy should be the answer to people like Marie Antoinette, but if you spend enough money and you can convince people to vote against their own interests and that having an immensely wealthy ruling class is a good thing.
I don't think they want to bother spending that money any more.
@Still-alive I've been polled by Gallup and Rasmussen about a dozen times so far and I ALWAYS fuck with the data to make Trump look invincible!
@PointlessNonsenseGuy yes he is in NATIONAL polls. Problem is it's not one election, it's 50. I trust state by state polling.
@CALIGVLA ZERO!! GREAT POINT OF KEEPING THE MASSES DISTRACTED!!
Correction: "if you spend enough money you can convince people to vote against their own interests and that having an immensely wealthy ruling class is a good thing."
@goaded That's not what Marie Antoinette syndrome is.
@ChefPapiChulo I have no idea what "Marie Antoinette syndrome" is, it sounds made up.
@goaded it's an actual medical thing. Hair on scalp suddenly turning white. Her hair allegedly turned white the night before her last walk to the guillotine
@goaded also, comparing people who were starving before the French Revolution, to Americans today (who aren't starving) is completely insane. Considering that the French Revolution was started to overthrow a monarchy, where this nut job @CALIGVLA is suggesting we suspend democracy, for who knows what.
The man is on crack and is on his 3-4th account because he keeps getting banned.
@ChefPapiChulo, I'm a member since 7/4/2022 and never got banned. But you will if you don't stop trolling and I report your offensive comments. You can start being civil or keep trolling and face the consequences, I'll let you choose.
@goaded, it's a metaphor for people like you, who display a Marie Antoinette's-like attitude in the sense that you believe that everything is good when it obviously isn't.
If we want democracy in the US, we have to build it from scratch since we don't have one right now , seeing as the current political system in the US can be classified an oligarchy or even a plutocracy. But everything is good, right?
@CALIGVLA It's an awful metaphor. When are things ever okay? And how does America rebuild from scratch? And what would the result look like? You don't even argue with saying that powerful people are bad and exploitative, but haven't given proper reasoning as to finding a solution or explaining what is bad. You brought up that we traded religion for politics, but what does this even mean? You're all over the place man and need a class in learning how to create a proper argument with points and sound logic.
@CALIGVLA When did I ever say "everything is good"? What I'm saying is that it's not as bad as some people would like you to believe and that getting rid of democracy would be a disaster because it would get rid of any power the people have over their government.
@goaded, we can't get rid of what we don't have.
@ChefPapiChulo, boy, it's not my fault that that was the 1st time you heard of Marie Antoinette. You'd know who she was if you had cracked a book open or read up on history, and for that reason, given your obvious ignorance on the subject, you have no place to claim that my metaphor was bad.
By the way, why should I waste my time trying to convince you that the status quo is bad?
Americans are in desperate need of comprehensive working rights in order to have some stability, universal healthcare not to get broke or even die of a treatable condition, and decent education not to be clueless like you on important subjects like history. Not you, though, because you're not willing to fight for those rights, and you deserve what the status quo has to offer.
You already have the life you deserve. No prospects, no stability, a life no one would ever wish upon themselves.
@CALIGVLA You can vote. You can choose to vote for politicians who undertake to get big money out of politics.
@CALIGVLA don’t talk about education when you can’t even create a decent argument. You’re a literal bot.
@goaded, wow! I can vote for a politician who will never represent my legitimate interests because we have a "representative democracy" without representation since the system is rigged. 🙌
Next time I need to pay a hospital bill, I'll do it with my vote! 🤣
By the way, I like Jill Stein and will vote for her, despite knowing that she has no chance to win.
@ChefPapiChulo, that's your opinion. Now enjoy your life as a social destitute with no prospects and stability, and cross your fingers not to fall ill, or you'll go homeless.
@CALIGVLA It's obvious by the way you write.
@ChefPapiChulo, right. Why don't you get me a cup of coffee?
@CALIGVLA Mybe you should try and convince people around you to vote the way you do. Or that they shouldn't vote for people who aren't willing to change the system to make it fairer. The fact is that enough people decide to change things, things will change.
Now I’m gonna say something because this opinion almost has 100 responses. And a good amount of people haven’t responded in awhile. If you want to continue arguing. Message each other and stfu.
Thanks
Does the idiot who just blocked me understand that this isn't his opinion? Wow.
Also, it's possible to ask politely for people to stop responding, or mute the question.
The most corrupt pathetic attempt at getting rid of a political opponent. The demokkkrats are doing exactly what they tried to impeach Trump for during his presidency. Demokkkrat party is by far the most corrupt organization to have ever existed in America.
Do you live in 1867?
Facts get all the crooked democrats out of office they destroying our country
@mattperry95 How? Are they creating an imaginary world in which a failed, criminal ex-president who didn't do squat for 4 years will magically make america great again without any kind of plan other than to use the country's government to have his childish revenge over people who said he was an idiot? Are they dividing left and right even further on purpose? Are they supporting putin's little bitch trump? Are they empowering white supremacists and far-right extremists? Are they attacking the media and freedom of press just because they're not portraying them in a positive light? Are they forming a cult out of a political party? Are they inciting an angry crowd to invade the capitol and injure police officers and then say it never happened? Do they falsely claim that an election was rigged without any kind of proof just because their candidate lost? Are they making a hero out of a 17 year old zits-riddled loser who shot two people because someone was throwing a plastic bag at him? Are they mismanaging a pandemic? Do they want to have the right to assassinate political opponents like MTG does?
@mattperry95 Do they claim that jewish space lasers are an actual, real threat to the country? Do they hate catholics like it's 1876 all over again? Are they longing for a civil war as if it's something that will better the country? Are they relying on political scapegoating to fuel anger and blame their opponents for all the country's problems and woes like a certain fascist movement that came into power in Europe back in the 1930's did? Are they denouncing so-called "show trials" while dreaming of setting up their own, genuine show trials? Do they think they live in a fascist state as they openly dream of setting up their own just to settle scores of a pathetic old orange moron? Do they have an actual political program or just petty feelings such as anger, hate, fear and fantasy? Do they call dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers"? Are they inventing something like "pizzagate", make a big deal out of it and then never talk about it again, proving that they're lying sacks of shit who'll just say anything to stir people up?
Are they using idiots like you to gain absolute power and to escape jail? Are they making a big ridiculous deal out of the fact that there were less people at their own candidate's presidential inauguration than there was at Obama's? Are they trying to impeach presidents whose skin color they don't like by falsely claiming something as stupid as the suspicion that they weren't born in the US? Are they stupid idiots who believe that climate change is a myth even when forrest fires are burning everywhere in the world? Are they crooked business assholes who falisfy records and lie about the value of their estate so they can defraud banks? Are they saying that rape is cool just for the shock value of such an shit-stain grade statement? Do they steal top secret government files and keep them stacked in a basement's bathroom, refuse to return them and then victimize themselves when the FBI shows up to take them back? Did they attempt to blackmail and or bribe officials to overturn election results? Are they claiming to represent america, knkwing that they lost the popular vote?
Then list the felonies that he supposedly committed, princess. I'll wait...
No problem, sodomite by mushroom. Wait here while I do your homework and copy and paste what's been available to see for everyone, everywhere on the net for a couple of months or even years.
But first, I've got to tell you that I do believe that if you're ok with all that's listed above, a couple of felonies on top of it all will surely change your mind. Surely.
Where's all of this info that you were going to "copy and paste" princess. Sodomite by mushroom? Really princess? A bit redundant, don't ya think?
Yes they're creating an imaginary world that makes Trump a criminal. Try researching laws before you post and leave no doubt of your stupidity. You fucking puppet.
Actually they're using idiots like you. You're just too stupid to see it.
Well... you're the one still waiting.
I mean, how dumb can you be?
You actually think I'm still waiting? How fucking stupid can you be? I'm pointing out the fact that you're nothing more than a liberal puppet. I bet your parents pet names for each other are bro and sis 😂. Try doing some real research for a change princess. Fucking moron.
You are indeed stupid. You didn't seem to pick up on my sarcasm in the first place... and even if you did, you came back days later as if I didn't forget about this uneventful conversation, which is apparently very, very important to you, given your apparent emotional investment, betrayed by your twitchy prose.
Then, after I reminded you of how much of an idiot you are, you felt the need to humiliate yourself some more by throwing a hissy fit, using my own insults as if you came up with them, acting up as if you believed that you could intimidate in one way or another.
It's OK if you have a micropenis. It's not your own fault and it's a medical condition. You may not be able to properly penetrate a woman or a man, but you still have heart, kiddo. Don't try to compensate by driving a pick-up truck or by lifting weights: it will only make it even more obvious that you're barely bumpy down there.
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I'm thoughtsing that this man is too irrelevant in my own life that I could get touched by anything that touches him.
But of course I wish him all the worst for the (short) rest of his life.
After all, he forces me to notice him - no matter if I want to, or not.
I'm still voting for him on November. rather have a criminal who cares about his country as a president than a demented pedophile traitor who exploits the country he claims to lead and his people for his own incomes
lol talk about shaking your finger at one candidate and calling him a pedophile and turning a blind eye at your own.
There are literally pictures of Donald Trump and Jeffery Epstein hugging and taking pictures with each other all over the internet. Trump is even found in Jefferey Epstein’s private flight logs to his private pedophile island and you only call Biden the pedophile?
You’re delusional buddy.
If you don’t want to vote for a pedophile you might as well just not vote in the U. S. presidential election.
Not to mention the popular vote doesn’t even determine who the wins the election either. It’s all about those electoral votes which is how Trump even won in the first election.
Hillary had more votes than him but hey keep believing that our votes really count 🤣
@snowboarder720 oh really? have you ever heard of photoshop? also here I have a video of Biden proving me right about me calling him a pedophile while proving that you are the real delusional moron who's turning the blind eye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYxocpZ0kM&t=12s
and yeah those same exact electoral votes are what helped Biden win 2020, along with those mail in votes do to covid19. seriously buddy, if you dont want to fall into depression you best reframe yourself from talking about politics with me
LOL you’re really going to say photoshop? Stop taking your own medication, bro. You’re turning into Biden himself.
@snowboarder720 nope, that's more like you buddy. you must really suffer from the same level of dementia as Biden if you believe that just because someone took pictures with Epstein that they must automatically fucked his underage victims on the down low. but FYI Epstein was a multi billionaire that threw a lot of parties and envited lots of celebrities, politics, etc to them just like Hugh Hefner did when he threw parties at the Playboy Mansion.
so assuming such nonsense just because they took picture with a guy is just plain retarded. till then when you find actual footage of Trump doing half of the things Biden has done on the videos I uploaded then I will gladly agree with you
Wait you just claimed they were photoshopped and now you’re changing your narrative? Buddy. You are something that can’t make up your mind lol
@snowboarder720 I never said ALL of them are photoshop. but do feel free to upload them (something you failed to do) and I'll show you which are
That isn’t what you said the first time though. Until you can make up your own mind we can have a dialogue. Lol wasting my time 👋🏻
@snowboarder720 wasting time? you envaded my opinion first buddy, not my fault you did not get the outcome you thought you were entitled to. if anything you did worst with your own dialogue from the start because not only did you failed to bring your evidence to the table but your dialogue is based on nothing but black and white perspective
Oh look, rich men are bribing people.
and they do it all the time in the business world... it's called power and is normal. THAT IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE... in a position where someone with $ feels necessity to pay you for your knowledge.
Knowing patent domain might be huge wealth maker for you given your smarts. Companies pay well for that. I've seen people get paid hansomly because their names were on patents.
Standard in USA, not sure about other countries.
Lesson in all of this... be careful with women... and in my opinion... make sure you are honoring the woman... or else:)
Had he simply come out in advance and confessed, admitted... bought a painting off of her to compensate hersince she was poor, proped up her ego... there'd be no problems. Lying, covering up, and for gods sake... thinking ya can keep a messed up, manipulative, low self worth, poorly raised, "porn star" from talking... that is the definition of "doesn't understand women".
@lightbulb27 I agree if he followed the rules of a scandal "Tell your version, tell it all, tell it first"
It will focus the average Republican voter on what they're supporting. That's a good thing, because most people don't really pay attention to politics.
But that was the point, tonshave off some votes and Biden wins. But at such a cost.
To shave*
@Jersey2 What cost? He was guilty of the crimes. If future presidents commit crimes for their own benefit, I hope they're indicted and convicted, too.
More than 100 million Americans do not believe he received a fair trial. Polling before the trial showed it was believed to be political and it was. And it will work. And it will never be forgotten and trust will not be repaired.
@Jersey2 They only believed that because Trump lied about everything. A jury of citizens has found him guilty of the crimes he was accused of. That's hard to shrug off, if you're not a cult member.
Goaded I agree with you. And I don't believe in nor trust those "polls". No one is above the law, period.
Hopefully the evangelicals will reevaluate what Jesus true message was. I doubt it but I hope!
@Jersey2 100 million Americans? You and Trump, just pulling hyperbole out of thin air!!
From the evidence I saw, it’s the right outcome but he is never going to jail. People need to understand that. It’s a huge security risk of many kinds for a former US president to actually be imprisoned.
He’ll appeal until it’s overturned or he will win the election and pardon himself.
This won’t change the minds of Trump fans. From what I have seen from the fallout it only seems to strengthen their resolve.
I’m waiting for the prosecution of
Clinton
Bush
Biden
If they did it then fine so be it, but the double standards nonsense is absurd
There's evidence that they falsified business records to hide election finance lawbreaking?
There's no evidence trump did either, we all know he got convicted because of a biased and or threatened jury
@captain_voidwalker No, he was convicted because a jury saw the evidence and found it convincing beyond a reasonable doubt. The rule of law, remember that?
Yeah that or they threatened them with becoming the next Steve bartman.
@captain_voidwalker What do you have against the US justice system? It's not perfect, but it's worked pretty well for a couple of centuries (and longer, as British justice).
@goaded, you’re are a ridiculous hypocrite. You know damn well you’re only in favor of our corrupt and borderline useless “justice” system TODAY. Because you saw the verdict YOU wanted. If it had gone the other way, you’d be talking about corruption just like the people you THINK you’re so different from.
They all funded Epsteins child trafficking ring, and are currently funding slavery in China and North Korea.
But Trump called CNN "fake news", so I guess he's the bad guy, according to the🙄
Goaded is a biased idiot. Period. If you two wanna continue to knock sense into his head go for it. But I refuse to waste my time with ignorant people that are so bought by their beliefs
He already blocked me, lmao. He's a coward, of course, we should expect no less from people who live in such a bubble as he does
@goaded Goaded, no use telling Reps to look at facts. They don't believe in them even if it hit them in the face. I don't argue anymore with fools.
Then why tf did you slide into this conversation Amy? Get out of here
@Rangers
His profile picture says a lot about him.
Amy, you don't know your butt from your elbow, so don't try to come at me with "facts". You didn't even know what that word means
What do I have against it. We'll let's give a fine example. Classified documents cases. Trump , biden, Clinton bill and Hillary, Bush Sr and Jr, all have evidence that they took Classified documents. Why is only trump bieng prosecuted for it. Thats my problem, it's not bieng used as a tool to enforce the law. It's bieng used as a political cudgel. Here's another example January6th rioters and black lives matter rioters. Both committed crimes yet only one getting prosecuted. And hypocrite like you are willing to turn a blind eye because it's working in your favor... for now. You'll be the first cryingxabout it when those in power flip the switch and use it against you
@captain_voidwalker If only there was some way to know why "only trump bieng prosecuted for it". Oh, wait, there is:
Hur report on Biden: "In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute." (page 6) and "In reaching our decision, we did not consider every circumstance m which criminal charges against a former president or vice president for mishandling classified information may be warranted. But on the facts of this case, "the fundamental interests of society" do not "require" criminal charges against Mr. Biden. For this additional reason, applying the Principles of Federal Prosecution set forth in the Justice Manual, we decline prosecution." (page 11).
Hur report on Trump. also page 11: "It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts.
Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
www.justice.gov/.../...ert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
(Also, BLM rioters were prosecuted, by the thousands.)
@Amy10223 I'm not trying to convince them, I'm pointing out their lies. Those who haven't blocked me because they don't believe in free speech, anyway.
@chazmatazz269 I'm happy with the result because it's the correct conclusion based on the evidence presented. Trump could have paid Daniels to be quiet and registered it as a campaign expense with a nondescript title like "exclusive consultancy fee", and it would probably have been legal. Instead, he chose to falsify business records to hide what was essentially a $130,000 campaign contribution.
In all four cases, if Trump were demonstrably innocent, he wouldn't have spent the last year or more and millions of dollars on delaying the trials as long as possible.
I figured you'd just hand wave it away. I get it you want to live in a 3rd world nation. You want to be a slave. Well as a famous man once said "may your chains rest lightly upon you"
Tf you talking about goaded?
If I don’t believe in free speech I WOULD’VE blocked you, because that’s a form of censorship. What I will do is correct you
@Danny_dan92 If you'd blocked me I couldn't be responding to your opinion.
@captain_voidwalker Waving what away? I gave you the Hur report's explanation for why Biden wasn't charged and Trump was, and pointed out that thousands of BLM rioters were charged with crimes. That's all.
You're proving my point with hurs report. The Department of Justice is biased. If biden had so much as a classified letterhead, he committed a felony. l since he was a senator with no powers of declassification, unlike trump, who had universal power of declassification as president. But you wouldn't know that be ause you live in a bubble and ignore anything that threatens your world view
As for blm rioters most were let go with no charges. The few that weren't were typically in states not under a democrate party dictatorship
@captain_voidwalker I'm in a bubble? Pence also got caught with secret documents but neither he nor Biden were prosecuted because they cooperated with the authorities. People make mistakes, and the law is not always an ass, if you do the right thing.
"... after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
Trump also cooperated. He locked the in a secure location as per the national archived and fbi's instructions. Then out if fucking nowhere the fbi authorized a raid on Mara'Lago. But hey I get it the left needs to beat trump with bogus legal charges because lord knows they can't beat him on policy. I mean just look what a shit show 4 years of biden made out of the nation.
@captain_voidwalker No, he didn't. He did everything he's accused of. "he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it." Hur's report.
They even gave Trump advance notice of the search!
And according to multiple on the ground law enforcement officers trump was cooperating. Also I don't fucking care of biden was cooperating. If I murder someone and the cooperate with authorities guess what I still murdered someone. The law is the fucking law and should be enforced unilaterally. Again you are proving my point.
@captain_voidwalker Are you joking, or just crazy? Trump and his useful idiots have started claiming the FBI were prepared to assassinate him in the search while he wasn't even in the same state.
Tell me you've never exceeded a speed limit, even by 1mph. That's what unintentionally keeping government documents is to a VP, while "... after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
And round and round we go. Your obviously going to keep feigning ignorance, so whatever. Like I said, may your chains rest lightly upon you.
@captain_voidwalker If I'm ignorant, explain what I'm ignorant about. You know I'm not, and that you're just full of shit. Trump "not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
Like I said may your chains rest lightly upon you
Have fun waiting for them to be punished for their “crimes”.
@goaded, you have clearly chosen ignorance. You always have. This is the last time i indulge you. Then we can go our separate ways permanently.
You aren’t the first person to suggest a better way to game the system than Drumpf attempted. If he is, as you and your ilk suggest, the root of all evil, he certainly would have known what YOU know unless YOU are somehow EQUALLY evil. Care to explain yourself in a way that maintains your moral superiority?
Of course not.
He failed to cover his tracks like an experienced criminal for a few possible reasons. 1) He’s NOT the career criminal everyone thinks he is. 2) He’s a complete dumbass of a criminal. 3) I dunno. Maybe “few” was stretching the possibilities.
It can’t be all of the above, AND he gets away with EVERYTHING for SEVEN DECADES! If you’re even a LITTLE left leaning like me, you likely believe that literally EVERY rich prick on the planet is a criminal in multiple fashions. Which means Drumpf is NOT a complete idiot or completely ignorant. What’s left?
Hhmmmm…. oh… he didn’t actually commit a crime. He’s a dumbshit who took shitty advice from the criminals he associated with who were already jailed for these crimes before Drumpf’s trial even started.
More than a decade after it COULD have started, because it is and always has been a means to marginalize the democratic party’s primary political rival.
Dig through EVERY post of mine from day one until this very second. You’ll NEVER find a single sentence from me touting the republican party line or hugging on Drumpf’s nuts. I defy ANYONE to prove otherwise.
This trial was shady as fuck. If you refuse to admit that, you aren’t even remotely interested in “justice”, let alone a healthy democracy. You have an agenda, and if Drumpf deserves jail time, so do you.
@Chazmatazz269 Your defence of convicted felon Trump is that he was bad at being a criminal? What a farce.
Again, at no time have i EVER defended Drumpf. As always, you’re straw manning because you can’t actually form a meaningful argument to support your nonsense.
I am poking holes in YOUR rhetoric that Drumpf is some kind of criminal mastermind who had previously gone seven decades without detection and got caught for crimes that “good” citizens like yourself claim are EASY to avoid getting caught up in. The farce is that you claim there’s ANYTHING resembling “justice” involved in the trial that resulted in his conviction. It was 100% politically motivated and there’s nothing you can do to prove otherwise because EVERY charge could have been proven over a decade ago. You’re clown shoes, homie. And now you’re blocked because despite my giving you dozens of warnings, you REFUSE to apply reason to anything you bring to my content. I’m happy to educate anyone. But you repeatedly choose ignorance. I have nothing more for you and you have literally never offered anything to me or any other intelligent and rational mind on this platform. Buh bye.
@Chazmatazz269 Well, my feed tells me that last message was yours, but you blocked me before you posted it, so I can't read it without having to fiddle a bit.
Firstly, how could crimes committed after 2016 have been charged ten years ago?
Denegrating the justice system that's finally found a way to bring Trump to account is supporting Trump's narrative. Thus, it is supporting him. Remember, Cohen went to prison for committing the underlying election finance crime, but Trump was only an unindicted co-conspirator because he was president at the time.
It would only have taken one standout (like the juror who got his news from truth social) to result in a hung jury, but the jury unanimously found him guilty on all counts, based on the evidence.
Should there be more convictions of rich businesspeople who cheat on their taxes? Hell yes, which is what funding the IRS is for.
Lol you actualy think those new irs agents are going after rich people... you are a fucking moron. Those agents are to go after people like waitresses and people who earn money via tips/ donations where it's easy to hide your actual income.
Also I'll say this. Anyone who cheats on thier taxes is a hero to me. I've seen what our government does with tax money, stupid ahit like funding wars in Ukraine. At least if people keep thier money instead of letting the government steal it, that money might go to more productive ends or at least to provide for thier families.
@captain_voidwalker They are literally being hired to go after rich people $400,000 a year income plus. Why do you think otherwise?
"As part of the effort, the IRS will also ensure audit rates do not increase for those earning less than $400,000 a year as well as adding new fairness safeguards for those claiming the Earned Income Tax Credit."
www.irs.gov/.../irs-announces-sweeping-effort-to-restore-fairness-to-tax-system-with-inflation-reduction-act-funding-new-compliance-efforts
If you belive that ahit I have some oceanfront property in Oklahoma I think you'd be interested in.
@captain_voidwalker You do realise that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you, don't you?
How do you figure? Government lying has a lot if president. Not so much telling the truth.
@captain_voidwalker I repeat, try reading it this time: "refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you".
Yes yes , and there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and the border it totally secure, and epstien killed himself. I mean I can keep going
@captain_voidwalker You mean "weapons of mass destruction" under Bush and "epstien killed himself" under Trump? Nobody's ever claimed "the border [is] totally secure".
Try once more to comprehend: "refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you". (I do neither.)
You can claim that all you want it dosen't make it true.
@captain_voidwalker You don't think it's true that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you? OK, so you don't believe that eating lead is bad for you? Or drinking bleach? Or smoking?
Or are you referring to the two Republican administrations who were in charge when Bush invaded Iraq and Epstein killed himself? Even then, most of what came out of the government was true.
Firstly I'm not a republican they suck just as much as the democrats. 2nd I don't need a government to tell me those things are bad, infact in the case of lead I'm pretty sure government for decades said it was harmless until wouldn't ya know it the private sector proved it was harmful and they had to change thier tune.
@captain_voidwalker The tobacco industry lied about the dangers of smoking, the Surgeon General released a report about it in the 1960s (since when smoking has reduced dramatically). My point is clearly that refusing to believe anything the government tells you is even more stupid than believing everything the government tells you.
Why don't you believe that "the IRS will also ensure audit rates do not increase for those earning less than $400,000 a year"?
www.irs.gov/.../irs-announces-sweeping-effort-to-restore-fairness-to-tax-system-with-inflation-reduction-act-funding-new-compliance-efforts
And... your point. Again it dosen't take a government agency for me to figure out that inhaling smoke isn't good for you lungs.
Also I never claimed "everything" the government said was a lie just most of it. Especially when it's to fulfill an agenda.
Your the one who thinks you should just accept whatever government says. I personally think it's good practice to question anything government says and if verify that it holds up to scrutiny. But I know thinking for yourself is hard and it's just so much easier to let the government think for you.
@captain_voidwalker For centuries people thought smoking was harmless. You're obviously smarter than all of them. OK, so "just most of it", fine, so why specifically do you not believe "the IRS will also ensure audit rates do not increase for those earning less than $400,000 a year"?
Simple 1st. they won't make any return in investment. People with that amount of money have teams of lawyers and accountants to make sure thier taxes are all good. The average person by comparison has no such protection. So when the irs sends you a letter saying cough up 1000$ your gonna pay because you can't afford a lawyer to fight it.
And 2nd there just not enough rich people to justify 80k agents but there sure are a lot regular people they can fuck over.
@captain_voidwalker "CBO estimates that portions of the Administration’s proposal to increase funding for the IRS by $80 billion over the 2022–2031 period would increase revenues by approximately $200 billion over those 10 years."
The whole point of the extra funding is to hire people who can take on their "teams of lawyers and accountants", and, frankly, that's where the money is.
"there just not enough rich people to justify 80k agents" The "top 1%" is 3 million people. The top 0.1% is still 300,000 people, and you just said you'd need a team of agents to take each of them on.
Increased funding for the IRS famously always has a positive return on investment.
Is that supposed to mean something? Firstly, about 70 billion will be wasted on those new agents salaries. Secondly that wouldn't even cover what our government wasted on 1 of the Ukraine funding packages
So where do you think they're gonna find that extra money they need.
@captain_voidwalker Try reading. How is it wasting money if spending it brings in 150% ROI?
150% over 10 years is abysmal not entirely 0 but still a shitty roi. And unless there's a massive reduction in government spending it's like trying to drain a lake with an eye dropper.
Here is a better plan, institute a flat 5% income tax for everyone and liquidate the entire irs instead. Government gets less money which is good because they do nothing but eastern it. And private citizens get more money which is good everyone's quality of life goes up.
@captain_voidwalker It's not 150% over 10 years, it's 150% every year; the money's not all spent on day one. Put $8Bn in each year, get $20Bn in extra revenues each year.
It massively more than pays for itself, so it's not "wasted money".
Well government spends on average now 1 trillion dollars every 100 days. Congrats if the irs can pull another 3.4 trillion dollars per year out it's ass it might break even.
So again fuck the irs let the people keep thier money it's in better hands
@captain_voidwalker So now reducing the deficit by holding people to the law is bad?
Unless you curtail government spending what's the point. And again that money is in better hands in the private sector. Honestly we should all refuse to pay our taxes until some accountability is had for confesses gross negligence on the national budget.
Seen it coming honestly. Tired of people who do anything to show they suck trump's dick for a living honestly and just want trump to piss on them and america in anyway he feels like.
I just want a good normal reasonable president and life again.
No one here is getting it. This has all been hashed up wayyyy before of all this trial witch hunt crap began. It is being done on purpose and with 12 bias jurors (so obvious) they think they can stop a good President from being President again. Will not work.
He deserves the worst. Along with all of his followers and supporters.
Conservatives: George Floyd deserves to be murdered because he was a criminal!
*Trump found guilty on 34 felony counts*
Also conservatives: I’m really gonna vote for Trump now!
… and 3 more court hearings to go!!
Yeah. How dare him give America the best four years they’ve had
Yeah, 2020-2024 was great when he lost. Best 4 years! 👍
Come on bro get real
What did his followers and supporters do to warrant jail time?
Hey, he finally won the popular vote!
34 counts & over 24 million dollars spend. At this point I just laugh because regardless on who gets the presidency our country will still be a laughingstock.
It is another version of the Salem Witch Trials.
But he DID those things according to 23 grand juries and 12 trial jurors.
@DrPepper12 I rest my case.
How does that rest your case? He was convicted by a jury of his peers.
@elaphe You are delusional if you believe those were impartial juries.
Of all the election interference claims from Bush VS Gore (Re-count Scandal), Clinton vs Trump (Russia Disinformation) and Trump vs Biden (Mail-in Ballot), this seems to me to be the only real form of election interference.