Did you watch the presidential debate last night?

[blueonblack22]

People usually already have their minds made up about who they are voting for in presidential elections and debates have nominal impacts.

But last night’s debate was an inflection point important in a very close race. And most analysts think Biden performed absolutely horribly. He looked decrepit, weak, lost at times, etc. Trump had some “Trumpish moments”. He did exaggerate and lie at times. But one thing is for sure: Father Time has definitely laid a definitive claim to one of the candidates and it isn’t Trump.

Although I want Biden out of the Oval Office and straight to the nursing home where he belongs his performance last evening actually made me nervous. Reason being America’s enemies (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc) were watching that and now they are much more likely to get very aggressive in the next 6 months. They know there is a high likelihood Trump will be back and they won’t be able to push him around like they can push Biden. So they are likely going to get much more aggressive while they can.

Also for all you upset leftists out there just remember this early debate was all the Biden administration’s idea.

Yes I watched it

No I didn’t watch it

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Just FYI I would actually feel sorry for Biden in other context. I will never make fun of a senior citizen who is just going through life and losing their cognition.

But this man who is clearly demonstrating cognitive decline is our current senility is our current sitting POTUS and campaigning for another 4 years in office. That is just absolutely insane. How the hell he even won the primaries back in 2020 is beyond me. At least Trump can still walk and chew gum at the same time.

[msc545]

I watched it too until I could no longer watch it. You are not wrong about this. I'm concerned about Biden even being president for the next 6 months. Much less for the next 4 years. On the other hand, I certainly don't want Trump as president either. The man is a liar and a criminal and is also mentally ill. Who else can we turn to when we need them so badly right now?

[Pterodon]

I was better off under Trump

[blueonblack22]

Alright @msc545 that response above is productive conversation. Much better approach than our earlier spat. We are actually getting somewhere now.

I will never expect you to be pro Trump and that’s okay. But with how our bipartisan political system is setup there is no magical “option C”. No magical third door. You have to pick the lesser of two evils. It really sucks but that’s how it is.

To be an informed voter you need to remove emotion from your voting decisions and concentrate on the candidate’s POLICY not his personality. I almost didn’t vote in 2016 because at the time I saw Trump as way too radical and unhinged even though I usually vote Republican.

But his economic policy was way superior to HRCs. That was what pushed me to vote for him. He kept his promise too. America was in great shape until the pandemic hit. And if you REALLY look at Trumps actual policy he’s actually a very moderate. He says insane things but he rarely follows up with it. He didn’t get us any wars, the wall wasn’t built all the way, etc. He actually has smart people around him who make the real decisions.

So whether you vote for RFK or not at all you need to figure out which candidates POLICY is best for your life and Americas. And I don’t really think Biden is even making any real policy decisions at this point. And given he never fires anyone (which is what a smart manager has to do at time) he’s getting controlled by radicals. But he’s too old and senile to make his own decisions.

You might disagree with above and that’s fine. But really think about what matters for your future and the future of the country. In other words what is more TRULY more dangerous for the country when it comes to policy: 4 more years of Biden or 4 more years of Trump. They both have track records now so that’s how you decide.

[blueonblack22]

@Pterodon most other people can say the same. Personally my real earnings have dropped 14% in the last 3.5 years thanks to inflation. That really pisses me off among other things. Also there is so much economic insecurity in my industry right now I’m hesitant to leave my job despite really hating it at the moment.

[msc545]

I was wrong about Biden (they hid him well) but - I am hoping we have a different alternative in a new Democratic candidate, perhaps Gavin Newsom. Trump's economic policies might be ok but his social politics and lack of morals are not ok, at least with me.

[Pterodon]

Look what Newsom did to California. You want that?

[blueonblack22]

@Pterodon he’s not going to ever vote for Trump and that’s fine. But he represents the swing vote and people in the middle more. From an objective POV they were definitely impacted from what they saw during last evenings debate.

[msc545]

@Pterodon From my point of view Newsom has been good for California.

[Pterodon]

You’ve got to be kidding

[msc545]

@Pterodon I'm not, but I am situated differently than a lot of others by the grace of God. What I say is probably not representative of those less fortunate.

[blueonblack22]

@Pterodon what America saw last night was so definitive of Biden’s cognitive state that republicans don’t have say anything besides “just look at Biden”. That’s it. All we have to say “that’s our sitting president. Just look at him. Do really want four more years of that? Do you think Biden is going to grow younger?” That’s it.

That gets the point across loud and clear. And all the independents and swing voters saw that.

[msc545]

Yes, you are right.

[Pterodon]

Yes I did and I cheered every time Biden froze mumbled and stumbled

[blueonblack22]

That must of been a lot of cheering.

[normalice]

Yeah I watched it. Biden did fine but still sucks at public speaking - on multiple occasions he tried to cram 10 minutes of information into a 2 minute response and, well, that was a miscalculation. Trump was absolutely incoherent when you consider the question asked and he lied the entire time with no fact checking. I came away with my suspicion comfirmed: there is simply no intelligent reason not to vote against Trump.

[blueonblack22]

“ Biden did fine”. Believe what you want. But most other people didn’t look at it that way.

I won’t deny that Trump lied and exaggerated at times (Biden lied too but he wasn’t grandiose about it because he wasn’t grandiose about literally anything).

But one person definitely looked “with it” and it wasn’t Biden. Sure you personally feel one way about it. But can you remove your own feelings and look at the hard reality of how the debate is going to impact polling numbers and the election?

[msc545]

Biden did not do fine at all.

[normalice]

Yeah, I can see how Trump supporters would look at Trump completely failing to answer a single question and then claiming he was "with it." That checks.

[msc545]

I am not a Trump supporter. Trump lied his ass off.

[blueonblack22]

@normalice “Trump supporters” you know that 36% of the voters out there still haven’t made their minds up? How do you think Biden’s performance last evening impacted THEIR decisions.

If Democrats want any chance at all of winning in November they HAVE to quit repeating “Trump supporters, maga extremists, threat to democracy, etc” and finally get real with themselves about the candidate they are presenting to the American people as the other option.

There are going to be a lot of people who are going to vote for RFK, not vote at all or even very reluctantly vote for Trump because they want a president who as least sentient. All of which spells doom for Biden.

You really need to QUIT going around saying “Trump supporters! trump supporters!” because that mindset is only to help trump at this point. It comes off as deflection and denialism about the major problem democrats have right in front for them and it’s the incumbent president. Democrats need to do something quick (get a different candidate in) if they want to have any chance at all of winning in November. That’s just reality.

[normalice]

I think the apolitical have decided to remain apolitical as a result of that debate.

Didn't read the rest.

[blueonblack22]

I am curious how polls will shift. I’m predicting at least a 2 point shift in favor for Trump after last nights debate in the general election.

You might not like the sound of that but that’s my prediction. Ane believe it or not I am worried about what American’s enemies are going to do in the next 6 months given they see the window of opportunity shrinking. Worried about China blockading Taiwan which would be VERY BAD for the USA.

Yes I wanted Trump to win the debate last evening but not blow Biden out the water. And most political pundits and analysts said Trump clearly did that. That’s not my personal opinion.

This is from politico and they are no conservative media source. www.politico.com/.../trump-biden-debate-result-takeaways-00165701

[normalice]

I don't find it unlikely. A media mess where the guy who tried to start a civil war can get more than 0% of the vote may as well go that extra mile to get him above 50.

[blueonblack22]

@normalice best of luck.

[normalice]

Best of luck to the whole country! We stop being a democracy if Trump wins..

[blueonblack22]

@normalice yep just keep going around saying that and see how well it works out come November.

[normalice]

Oh, I'm well aware republicans control the media and are fully prepared to treat the thing Trump openly admitted to as though they've never heard of it. I know global fascism is inevitable but another four years of relative peace would be nice!

[blueonblack22]

Best of luck man. Really. Best of luck.

[normalice]

Indeed, to us all!

[StudyingAuthor]

@normalice He has a stuttering problem. I do to, and to see him speaking so powerfully without going on repeat most of the time (And many people make fun of me for.) was so motivational. He handled it like a boss. Being under pressure like that is tough and it makes it hard to speak. For his problem, I believe he handled it perfectly.

[normalice]

A good point.

[msc545]

I'm sorry but he has a lot more than a stuttering problem. That is the least of his difficulties. Do you think his face looks normal?

[normalice]

He was lively at the rally today 🤷

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 they are in denial. But back in 2020 I knew Trump was going to lose and I was fully prepared to accept that. I wasn’t delusional leading up to the election (nor delusional after, I was never an election “denier”). I am a realist.

But these people will only see what they want to see vs what they NEED to see. They can go off on Trump all they want but that’s not going to work in 2024.

People are mostly care about what BIDEN has done during his term and if he has the capacity to realistically serve in office for another 4 year years. Just pointing to Trump isn’t going to make independents/swing voters ignore Biden’s deteriorating condition both mentally and physically.

Although you might have the capacity to look at these issues objectively other people never will (both sides). They vote with their emotions.

And @normalice I could see a 14 year old girl being unable to fully comprehend what I wrote above. But a man in his 40s who can’t understand that? I give up at this point. But a blind man could see that Biden looked absolutely horrible last evening. But again you trying to say “oh Biden looked fine” is not going to convince swing voters at all.

[normalice]

The problem is if people cared about what Biden has done they would give attention to reporting on what he has done. A big reason Biden stumbled over his words so much is because he tried to boast about the last three years of nonstop success that the media keeps quiet about for some reason. I'm fully aware the media is not on democrats side anymore so I'm fully aware that this is going to be an uphill election. They all will be until we lose the next one, and then democracy will be over.

[blueonblack22]

“ last three years of nonstop success” and “ I'm fully aware the media is not on democrats side anymore ”.

Okay @normalice nice chatting with you. For real best of luck this time. Also best of luck with telling everybody that the Biden administration was a “nonstop” success. Really.

[normalice]

You think I believe I will be able to put a dent in the oncomming freight train that is the entire media industry trying to get a traitor elected just because they want tax cuts?

[msc545]

I'm a neuropsychologist. I don't say the things I've said lightly.

[StudyingAuthor]

Lol, I posted the same exact question 6 hours ago. But yes, Biden did really well when he stated facts and Trump stated lies.

[blueonblack22]

Biden did “very well”. Sure. Sure.

[In_Trance]

Americans are brainwashed

[blueonblack22]

Media or not we saw both candidates for real last night.

[Twalli]

Sp our choices are between one president who won't bomb an enemy and another who will bomb an ally.

[blueonblack22]

I don’t agree. But for shits and giggles let’s pretend your right with above.

If it’s true Biden won’t bomb an enemy then how does the enemy feel about bombing us? Intimidated or emboldened?

[Twalli]

I mean he would probably respond to an attack, butt wouldn't do it preemptively

[blueonblack22]

There is a concept called “strength through deterrence”. But really how many “preemptive” attacks did Trump initiate during his term? He once called off a reprisal attack on Iran for shooting down one of our drones to spare the lives of 150 Iranians.

Still though there is one presidential candidate other world leaders fear and it’s not Joe Biden.

[Twalli]

We don't need our allies to fear us.

[Twalli]

The problem is that Trumpbis friends with most of our enemies. If that doesn't emboldened tgrm, nothing will.

[blueonblack22]

*hostile world leaders

[blueonblack22]

And yet we had virtually world peace when Trump was in office. No ongoing Ukraine Russia war. The Middle East wasn’t on fire. China wasn’t threatening Taiwan.

But I get it. Whatever I say will never change your mind. Fine. But do really believe you are going to convince swing voters to vote for Biden with same ole “oh he isn’t Trump” routine? Do you think that’s going to work this time given Biden has a track record and he has lowest approval rating of any president in American history? That might of worked for you in 2020. But it’s 2024.

The whole world got to see the true state of Biden’s mental capacity last evening. He’s VERY clearly in cognitive decline. And you seriously want 4 more years of that when he’s only getting worse?

[BarryLiverstone]

I didn’t like Trump lying about abortion

[blueonblack22]

Trump did lie and exaggerate. Biden did too but he was so low energy and incomprehensible people barely noticed it and/or it didn’t even register as lying because they chalked it up as senile meandering and tuned him out.

But most people expected Trump to act like Trump. But the bigger question is does Biden have the mental capacity and vigor to serve another 4 years in office? I think most Americans got a resounding clear message on that question last evening.

Hate Trump all you want. But try to look at the bigger picture on how that debate is going to impact the Biden campaign and polling.

[BarryLiverstone]

When did I say I hated Trump?

[blueonblack22]

Alright you didn’t say that. I made an assumption that you did. My mistake.

I’ve just seen lots of people say “well I’m still supporting Biden” for absolutely no other reason then hating Trump. That’s what I’m used to seeing.

[BarryLiverstone]

No worries. I lean right financially but I’ve already predicted it will not be Biden vs trump. Wish Trump was more honest but overall someone needs to fix our economy. Peace

[blueonblack22]

Cool man. Tbh America seemed happiest when they had a candidate in who was fiscally conservative and socially liberal (bill Clinton was like that). Not that I liked Bill Clinton but I was around in the 90s and I recall a lot more optimism back then.

[paledreams]

No I didn't :)