Do you believe in Universal Facts?

[OddBeMe]

Facts that would be undisputed were humans able to know them. And indeed we get very close with the scientific method.

But I think a good portion of Americans don’t think there is ANY actual facts. Strangely.

Yes there are universal facts

No, nothing is universally true

Other

[goaded]

Yes, there are facts. Explanations of how those facts come to pass (scientific theories) are incomplete, but whatever replaces them is always closer to the truth and better describes the known facts (otherwise it would not replace the old theories). It's become incredibly rare for theories to be rejected altogether, generally changes are just on the fringes of knowledge.

[Kaneki05]

I think there are facts however such facts could change upon many variables so there is no such thing as an absolute fact but for the sake of our perception there is.
So yes but no not really but also yes.

I could go into a whole ramble of a paragraph how this makes sense but if ya don't get it just trust me it makes sense okay lol.

[OddBeMe]

It’s not a fact if it can change. The idea around it can change.

[Kaneki05]

If that's how you want to view it then there is no facts.
Everything is changing and it would be denying everything to say nothing changes. The universe we in is ever changing and we have no idea what that could and can't happen in the future, we can try predict based on our own perspective but there is just simply no way to prove the universe couldn't do X if it wanted to.
Afterall it created us for seemingly no reason on a whim and no doubt there will be a time we don't exist.
And I have no doubt in my mind that the universe could also cease to exist. Anything that can exist can also not.

[OddBeMe]

What do you think facts are?

Gravity: fact
Russia tried to hack election machines: Fact

[Kaneki05]

So you think gravity can't change?
You think the very universe that created the mass within it to have gravity can't undo that?

Russia tried to hack election machines? Now tbf that's a fact that can't change to record human history but it's not an example of a fact to universal understanding.

[Kaneki05]

Actually wait no even the Russian thing can be changed just need a time machine. And who's to say that one day is not possible?
The problem with facts is only the past can be facts but if in the future there is ways to change the past then that's also not true. So yeah. This perspective of facts can't change just sends you down a bad line of thinking.

[OddBeMe]

Do I think the universe can’t undo gravity? What the fuck are you talking about? Gravity on earth is a constant fact. The gravity on mars is constant but different than earth.

[OddBeMe]

Just need a Time Machine to change the fact that Russia hacked our voting machines. It’s still a fcking fact.

Doesn’t mean Trump didn’t win fairly. But you fucks are getting nuttier.

[Kaneki05]

So you think the universe was always the same and never changed and is not changing right now?
And no if the thing is changed to never happen then it's not a thing that happened therefore not a fact.
As you said facts can't be changed this would directly change it from ever happening.

And this ain't about trump at all. I am left as hell and never said trump won fairly nor even care about that in the first place as that has nothing to do with my point.
So if you want to argue about that find someone else lol

[Kaneki05]

Also it's funny how you are the one actually arguing these things aren't facts. I said they are facts but can change. And if you think stuff we know to be facts right now can't be changed then I wonder do you think the earth will always exist? And do you think gravity of that earth will always exist?
The point is they won't. So this idea of facts can't be changed is just ignoring well facts lol.
It's a fact earth exists well maybe not tomorrow or yesterday if again a time machine is invented or the universe starts going backwards somehow.

To say everything stays the same is dumb. There are facts based on what we perceive now and that's that.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Technically there are theories treated as fact so the idea that there are no universal facts is technically correct? I don't know


But you have the universal theory of evolution which applies to pretty much everything and it’s the only reason like 90% of all other scientific theories make sense — because they’re piggybacking off of the theory of evolution.

[OddBeMe]

This is a PR issue for science. A theory in science is ONLY facts pointing toward the most probable and consensus agreed theory in reality.

Like we know evolution exists. It’s a fact. We experiment in fruit flies who live only 24 hours. So multiple generations can evolve via environmental changes during a few years research.

Consensus says Darwin’s “theory” of origin of species is correct. But we could find more about it later. But evolution will always be a FACT.

See how it’s kinda confusing? Theory is different in science than our jargon.

[purplepoppy]

A fact by definition is undeniable therefore all facts are universal facts. Anything else is an opinion

[on_my_knees]

In fact, a fact can be context-dependent, temporal, or situational. Therefore the undesirability of a fact does not necessarily make the fact universal. Since your premise is unsound, then the conclusion cannot be validly derived from it. And that's a FACT.

[on_my_knees]

*undeniability

[OddBeMe]

@on_my_knees NO FACTS ARE NOT CONTEXT DEPENDENT

[on_my_knees]

@OddBeMe FACT: I'm on Earth sitting down right now. FACT: In space I would be floating. Therefore, the fact that I'm sitting down depends on the Earth.

[on_my_knees]

@OddBeMe A better example: FACT: Water boils at 100°C. Change the air pressure, and the boiling point changes, which means the fact is not universally undeniable.

[OddBeMe]

@on_my_knees no that fact is a fact. And then boiling at a different air temp is a fact. Are you an idiot?

A golden doodle dog exists. Fact. But also poodles and cocker spaniels. Water boils at one temp under regular variables. Change a number of variables and a different temp boils. All are fucks dumbass.

This is what the fuck I’m talking about.

[dustybiker2]

Facts... you're all right.. and left depending on location while having this conversation.

[on_my_knees]

@OddBeMe I don't see how your attacking me is going to contribute to the validity of your argument. In fact, your example acknowledges that a golden doodle exists and water boils at one temp under regular variables both inadvertently support my point that facts are not always undeniable and therefore cannot possibly be universal, based on the logical structure of the argument.

[on_my_knees]

@purplepoppy I demand that you withdraw your opinion, which is in fact, an opinion.

[purplepoppy]

I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

[on_my_knees]

Interesting how no one can actually answer this question.

[goaded]

I did: the answer is yes. Do we know all of them? No. Are all things we think of as facts actually facts? No, sometimes we're mistaken. Is there a Sun?

[OddBeMe]

There are some strange ones here who insist that there are no objective facts. Which is nutso.

[msc545]

There are immutable facts in our reality and location in the space-time continuum. Like gravity - maybe.

[OddBeMe]

Yes. Gravity is undoubtedly real. But we don’t know 100% about it. But it’s factually real.

[meepmeeperton]

Yes, there is such a thing as objective reality. The problem is American media manipulates data to fit narratives, be it liberal or conservative. A lot of Americans feel like they've been lied to and can't trust anything anymore.

[Sevenpointfive]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2LjLRy9wuc8

i couldn't find the extended version with a little violence. those jewish people love their violence. they find it funny

[Drewtate]

Yes the only problem with facts is when facts meet ideology, politics, government and big buisness.

For instance for years we were told that red meat, eggs, butter, milk etc

[NathanDavis]

Aaron Rodgers is NOT better than Tom Brady...

[OddBeMe]

That’s not a fact genius. Thats opinion.

[NathanDavis]

I could give you seven... reasons why that's more than a fact

but why bother... lol

[OddBeMe]

Still would be an opinion.

You give me stats of aaron vs Tom that are facts. But whether that dictates who’s a better athlete is ultimately still opinion.

[NathanDavis]

that's your wrong opinion...

fact is... Brady is much better

[dustybiker2]

Science. Big scary words for some parties.

[dustybiker2]

Such as.. the sun will rise every morning and set every evening. Depending of course... so not really a fact as its disputable say if you are in outer space. Then again still a fact as it does happen on rotating planets in our solar system even if not directly relating to you at the specific time.

[goaded]

Also, not at the poles. Observations may "only" be true in certain circumstances, but narrowing down the circumstances is progress, more accurately identifying the facts.

[OddBeMe]

Also we orbit sun…
Lol

[goaded]

Exactly. The Sun appears to rise every morning and set every evening outside the polar circles on Earth. The facts are that there is a Sun and that the Earth is a roughly sperical ball that orbits the Sun and rotates on its axis that's at a slight angle to the orbit.

[OddBeMe]

Dusty just likes sunrises…she knows it’s perspective lol

[dustybiker2]

To have Superman's view, just once.

[dustybiker2]

Hey. And the planets rotate and then rotate around the sun, sir.

[OddBeMe]

Shit. I guess the rotation would be causing the sunset more than our orbit.

Thought had the bitch! Lol

[dustybiker2]

@goaded Pole living. Those hardiest of people.

[goaded]

I've heard they dance to keep warm.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded the pole keeps warm

[dustybiker2]

I've heard they dance in Alaska for that same reason.

lol Thermal vent.

[SotiCoto]

Objectivity probably exists, but it cannot be directly experienced... only logically extrapolated.

[exitseven]

I believe in basic laws of gravity and Thermodynamics.

[DarkLegacy]

Americans are a strange bunch

[OddBeMe]

Yes but read some of these replies and tell me “facts” don’t need to be discussed,

[DarkLegacy]

They do need to be discussed but some things are treated as facts when they are not. Take the Big Bang 'Theory'. You would have noticed i put it in quote marks because it is treated as a fact but it is just a theory. No one can be too sure that is how the Universe came to be.

[Anonymous]

mathematics is a universally fact