Why is it damaging to read books? Even this one?

[OddBeMe]

This kid goes home and plays violent video games, doesn’t he? Whats this book gonna do?

SERIOUSLY: WHAT IS THE DANGER?

[Agape93]

Ideas can be dangerous. But you can also get worse ideas by existing. I guarantee you, you put me and my ideas, up against someone who read the turner diaries, and one of us is gonna end up on a watch list, and it ain't them

[OddBeMe]

Let some idiot try passing out the Turner diaries. Get his racist ass beat.

[Agape93]

Agreed. Most of my friends aren't white nor are they from here. Wanna talk shit about my loved ones, I'll send you to a hospital.

[Agape93]

Then again I doubt those knuckle dragging sister fuckers could even spell the title

[DextroShade]

In most communities on Earth, handing out gay porn to kids will get you beaten or killed, and deservedly so.

[Agape93]

I agree.

[DrPepper12]

@DextroShade what about hetero sex descriptions?

[Agape93]

Take this elsewhere.

[OddBeMe]

@DextroShade no one’s “handing out gay porn”.

[Agape93]

I said take this elsewhere.

[IslaTheWitch]

you know... parents and teachers have responsibilities... so let's leave children and books and start with adults

[Juxtapose]

I shouldn't have to explain why showing porn to children is wrong but here we go..

"Consequences Among Youth

Pornography proves to be especially detrimental to children and adolescents. According to many researchers, early exposure to pornography is connected to negative developmental outcomes, including a greater acceptance of sexual harassment, sexual activity at an early age, acceptance of negative attitudes to women, unrealistic expectations, skewed attitudes of gender roles, greater levels of body dissatisfaction, rape myths (responsibility for sexual assault to a female victim), and sexual aggression. Children’s brains are not equipped to process the adult experiences depicted. Early exposure to pornography also increases the likelihood that depression and relationship problems develop.

Sexual risk taking is another common problem associated with being exposed to pornography at an early age. This includes more sexual partners and not using birth control. As Gustavo Mesch found in a 2009 study: adolescents who use pornography “appear less socially integrated and more socially marginal. They express less commitment to their families, fewer pro-social attitudes, and less attachment to school…” This could be the case simply because youth are so enveloped in what they are viewing and how they feel about it that they lose touch with their environment and the people around them.

Another key issue is that an individual’s first exposure [and general exposure] to pornography may lead to mental health problems, such as depression and anxiety, particularly among adolescents, and that the earlier a child was exposed, the more mental health problems they faced later in life. Researchers also concluded that the earlier one is exposed to pornography, the more likely they are to have problems in their future sexual and romantic relationships. This may be because pornography tends to be a solo activity, secluding one from people, thus affecting how one interacts with those around them. In a study published in the Child Abuse Review in 2009, Michael Flood also found that pornography exposure can lead to emotional disturbance that may affect the way they interact with others and view sexuality in general. According to Mesch, adolescents who view pornography “appear less socially integrated and more socially marginal. They express less commitment to their families, fewer pro-social attitudes, and less attachment to school.” In a study in the Journal of Pediatric Health Care, Gail Hornor reported that “Children less than 7 or 8 years of age have difficulty differentiating between what is happening on screen and what is happening in real life.” This can lead to problematic sexualized behaviors (or PBS). PBS has been linked to negative behaviors such as negative impulse problems, which can further affect the ability to interact with others. Not only that, but PBS can greatly affect the way one perceives their life, making it much more difficult for someone to perceive what is real and not real. Pornography is killing social interaction and the craving for personal connection that all humans have. It puts a false reality into the minds of those who view it and makes them perceive life in a darker and more selfish way.

Pornography use among youth also has been found to affect academic performance and mental health in adulthood."

https://ifstudies.org/blog/what-happens-when-children-are-exposed-to-pornography#:~:text=According%20to%20many%20researchers%2C%20early,roles%2C%20greater%20levels%20of%20body

[Juxtapose]

erlc.com/.../

acpeds.org/.../the-impact-of-pornography-on-children

[Juxtapose]

www.americanbar.org/.../

[OddBeMe]

Even you can see the difference between literature with sex scenes versus porn.

[DJB72]

Thanks. Saved me having to post this reply!

[Juxtapose]

Excuse me Odd but are you excusing children looking at pornography because it is literature? You're really coming off like a groomer.

@DJB72 you kind of should anyway because there's a lot of sick people who really don't get it.

[Juxtapose]

But you're welcome.

[Juxtapose]

Odd though, the links do not distinguish between video and literature. Porn is porn.. you may as well be saying; "Come on Jane.. I just gave little Jimmy a erotic novel it's not like it will hurt him."

*sirens*

"Have a seat."

[SotiCoto]

Porn is sexual content created explicitly for the purposes of generating arousal.
Sexual acts can be described without the intent to arouse and are, in that case, not porn by any stretch of the imagination.

[Juxtapose]

@SotiCoto try telling that to the cops after reading that smut to children.

[Juxtapose]

And not to mention you could bring up a horror book to a child that is filled with very graphic rape and say:

"Oh this was not intended to turn anybody on so it's perfectly okay to put it in the public school library for little 11-year-old Jimmy to read!"

That's demented.

[OddBeMe]

Yet somehow no parent is that concerned with violent movies, video games or gangsta rap. It’s BOOKS that are so dangerous. Why?
https://youtu.be/H8KwYFdBieI?si=8dJNWqm5vobOs6ni

[Juxtapose]

I don't think that stuff should be in public school libraries either dude. What the fuck are you smoking?

[DrPepper12]

@DJB72
@Juxtapose
@OddBeMe

Well at least its not about donkey dicks and horses with massive loads or dudes who murder illegitimate childten or incestuous horny daughters who fuck their father. Bestiality, murder and incest are unfit for children, am i right?

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 I never saw the Bible in my school library and thank goodness. I'm an atheist and hate that book of obscenities.

[DrPepper12]

Just curious. Is the blow up doll they use for sex ed obscene? Porn? What about the lesson about how to put on a condom correctly using a banana? Is that more depravity?

[DrPepper12]

@SotiCoto they dont understand that the same material can be discussed clinicly and probingly and produce... Wait for it... Knowledgeable students! They can't handle that. The "poorly educated" strike again!

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 sex said is a necessary exception because you must teach people how to work their biology or they could end up with some serious diseases and whatnot.

[SotiCoto]

@Juxtapose : I don't have to tell the cops anything because it isn't smut and it isn't illegal to educate children properly. The problem with porn isn't that it is sex. The problem is that it is fake, idealised sex graphically represented in real-time. And for that matter, the problem with rape horror isn't that it is sex, but that it is violent and horrible.

For the sake of an extra anecdote, a certain family I knew simply never had sex hidden from the children at all (not least because they were naturalists). In fact they had it clearly explained to them. And they ended up considerably more well-adjusted than the vast majority of humanity for it. It is far more damaging to lie to children for over a decade and actively prevent them learning things that they will need to know in the decades that follow.

[DrPepper12]

@SotiCoto just gonna add in USE THE PROPER NAMES FOR BODY PARTS!! Its a penis, not a "we-we" theyre breasts not "fun bags" its "pubic hair", "vagina" and "scrotum". Its a body part JUST LIKE ANY OTHER! Stop the childish prudishness and give them a honest upbringing!!

[Juxtapose]

@SotiCoto showing obscene material to children is grooming fyi.

[SotiCoto]

@DrPepper12 : Yeah. And it is a buccal cavity, not a "mouth" (nor "gob").

[MacDaddyRico]

@SotiCoto Wrong answer...

por·nog·ra·phy
/pôrˈnäɡrəfē/
noun
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.
"she warned that access to hardcore pornography was shaping children's expectations of relationships"

[Juxtapose]

@MacDaddyRico either way you want to frame it homie, showing obscene material to minors is a big No-No. Don't be a pedophile.

[Juxtapose]

Or rather a pedo enabler.

[MacDaddyRico]

How the fuck am I being a pedo enabler?

[SotiCoto]

@MacDaddyRico : I'm never sure entirely how to respond when someone calls me wrong and proves me right in the same post. Like... do you even understand what disagreement means?

[MacDaddyRico]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/472914021889752

[dustybiker2]

There is no danger. Some people just love to complain. Put the kid in home school or shut up. He hasn't realized he controls no one but himself.
If you don't want your kid exposed to something it's your job as the parent to guide them. Attempting to change the world to bend your way is a pointless exercise in failure.

[OddBeMe]

This

[dustybiker2]

I can't believe he allowed his kid to read that on camera and in front of everyone at 11 years old, was it? That is a whole other level of F-d up.

[Goahead76]

No danger, just the indicators of a crass, vulgar, ugly society, that's all.

[dustybiker2]

Welcome to planet earth. The world is an imperfect place. Just take a ride with a city cop some night. See the things that go on while most of the world sleeps. That is still the world we bring our children into. Words on a page pale in comparison. Want to protect your children? Teach them to be good people. You will never change anyone else, they are your only influence receptacles.

[Goahead76]

Pointing to one injustice doesn't justify another though. People make the world worse one choice at a time.
Still though the onus lies on the people advocating it.

What's the benefit?

Why can't it wait a few years?

Why must we ruin their innocence as early as possible?

There had better be some really fucking compelling answers to those. I've never heard an attempt even which tells you all you need to know.

[OddBeMe]

@Goahead76 see…the issue is you’re deciding for everyone’s kid. Just teach your kid to read the books you want.

[dustybiker2]

They didn't allow books like this into my school I know this as I worked in ours starting in elementary. How that book ended up in there's with various mentioned versions is curious, but damaging? Protecting innocents.. Kids find their parents porn collections too. Again the world is imperfect everywhere.

[Goahead76]

@OddBeMe If another parent wants to provide their child with sexual material that's on them but there's no argument for making it available to young children in a school library.

[Goahead76]

@dustybiker2 True, but in this case, it's deliberate, which is an order of magnitude worse.

[dustybiker2]

Deliberate or ignorant? Did they read any of the versions they carried? They might have stocked it as it was a popular book not reading it themselves.

[msc545]

Sex is not dirty or evil. It is a natural thing that we all do or at least most of us do and it is very important and actually vital in terms of reproduction. Teaching children about sex is not a bad thing to do as long as we temper it with the notion that engaging in sex under certain circumstances or at certain ages is grossly inappropriate.

[OddBeMe]

@Goahead76 there’s a freedoms of speech somewhere that says your feeble mind can’t demand we burn whatever fcking books you THINK are porn.

[msc545]

@Goahead76 The benefit is that knowledge is power, and power, used correctly, saves a person from harm - even a kid.

It cannot wait a few years because puberty doesn't wait.

Nothing is being ruined, and in this context "innocence" cannot be distinguished from "ignorance". Ignorance is dangerous as hell.

[Goahead76]

@OddBeMe. You're not wrong, sex is a glorious thing, but there's a line between adults and pre-pubescent kids. Those who are pushing this seem to be in the camp of "all boundaries must be torn down", and innocence shouldn't exist. I don't see any other way to frame their philosophy.

[Goahead76]

@OddBeMe. I just don't see the compelling interest in tearing down that boundary, and I haven't heard anyone even try to make that argument.

[DrPepper12]

@msc545 correct! If any child is old enough to ask the questions they deserve an age-appropriate answer!

[OddBeMe]

@Goahead76 no one’s pushing anyone to read anything. You are pushing to ban books for everyone. See the difference?

[Goahead76]

@OddBeMe So by that logic all kinds of porn should be available too then, because it's "knowledge", hardcore, bondage, you got it. Why are we the only culture doing this? Nobody else on the planet is sexualizing their kids.

[Goahead76]

Again though I keep asking, what is the compelling interest in destroying their innocence, that seems to be the goal, to lay it out and make it as easy as possible.

[OddBeMe]

@Goahead76 all porn is available but can be regulated by parents. I’ve been to midnight R rated movies where parents have brought their 5 yr old kids. Their decision not mine.

[dustybiker2]

@Goahead76 nobody else is sexualizing their children? Have you ever been out of the US? I have. The US is tame compared to some other countries exposures in general daily living.

[Goahead76]

@dustybiker2 I have, and I'm very aware there are some places that do, but most don't and it is certainly not the ideal. It fits more in the category of a regrettable ugliness in countries where life is very hard, not something you would ever promote.

[DrPepper12]

@Goahead76 I'm sure the millions of people involved in sex trafficking will be glad to hear that.
What about the hookers in the window dancing as kids bike to school in amsterdam?

The festival of the phallus in japan?

It's international. Not jusr usa

[Goahead76]

@DrPepper12. Oh I don't disagree on any of that, but certainly sex trafficking should be gone after with a vengeance. The rest of those don't bother me at all though, because they're not targeted at kids. In fact I think those ought to be brought to the United States

[MacDaddyRico]

There IS a danger, and that bullshit does NOT belong in our children's schools!

[dustybiker2]

@MacDaddyRico Capitalizing "is" and "NOT" won't change my mind. But appreciate your thoughts.

[DrPepper12]

@Goahead76 id LOVE to see the phallus festival here!! 💯❤️🔥

[MacDaddyRico]

@Goahead76 https://www.facebook.com/reel/472914021889752

[MacDaddyRico]

@Goahead76 Think again. https://www.facebook.com/reel/472914021889752

[MacDaddyRico]

Your mind is trashed if you think these explicit books are okay for children. Shame on you.

[Goahead76]

@MacDaddyRico I couldn't get that link to work, but I'm guessing that festival is pretty explicit?

[OddBeMe]

@MacDaddyRico thinking they’re “ok” for children and banning them for everyone is totally different.

A child wouldn’t pick up a book…and if he did, and was old enough to understand sex scenes, then he’s seen worse online or in video games.

[DrPepper12]

@Goahead76
www.euronews.com/.../kanamara-matsuri-everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-japans-penis-festival

Its actually family friendly and a fund raiser.

[MacDaddyRico]

Wow, are you out of touch with reality!
The issue is porn in schools. Period.
My tax dollars should not support this obvious Agenda.
Nobody said ban the books for everyone.
Get a life.

[OddBeMe]

@MacDaddyRico there is no porn in schools. No one jacking off to this. No one is scarred reading this. We have just prioritized other cultures first and anything that threatens that is devalued.

[DJB72]

As @Juxtapose so correctly pointed out, it's probably better that more people say this...

Pornographic material doesn't belong in a school library.

I'll go a tiny bit further...

My son is 5. The boy in the clip is 11 and was offered the book as a "graphic novel". A cartoon.

That means someone has deliberately taken the time to draw a pornographic cartoon book for minors.

I'm not American, but I promise if anyone tries to give this or anything like it to my son before he's 18 I'll happily rip off their arms and legs and beat them to death with the soggy end.

FAFO

[Juxtapose]

Say it loud and say it clear!

I love that more people are taking a stand against this obscene child abuse.

[DJB72]

There's definitely a few benefits to being Gen-X...

[DrPepper12]

@Juxtapose theyre banning altar boys? That IS good news!!

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 I am against all forms of child abuse.

[DJB72]

All forms need to be ended. Including involuntarily being sniffed by sitting presidents...

[Juxtapose]

^^ 100% those kids know what's up instinctively.

[DrPepper12]

I've heard that books turn people gay, ESPECIALLY if they're read by a drag queen.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. Honestly I’m not sure him reading sex isn’t better for the kids brain than some religious show he watches on tv.

[DrPepper12]

Lol. The bible as fit for children. Incest, murder, genocide, intoxication, misogyny, honor killings, spooky magic and impossible human feats. 🙄

[OddBeMe]

And slavery.

[DrPepper12]

Forgot that one... And attempted child sacrifice, talking plants and wearing two fabrics together while eating shrimp on a Friday night while having impure thoughts about the married waitress at Hooters who was admiring my tattoo.

[Goahead76]

Someone explain to me why sexualized books like this are available for school children. Sexualizing children at an early age produces better people? What is the benefit of stripping their innocence?
Only the west does this, an isolated very small fraction of the world's population thinks this is ok.

[OddBeMe]

Because I’m asking: WHATS THE DANGER?

[Goahead76]

Nobody is using the word "danger," but nearly every culture on the planet, with the exception of a few consider it "unhealthy" and "wrong".

Childhood innocence is a beautiful thing, so to intentionally go about destroying it is a little disgusting. Boys are probably a little more resilient to it, but it's just unnecessary it's vulgar.

Essentially, taking something beautiful and innocent and smashing/destroying it. What kind of society does this?

[OddBeMe]

Why is it unhealthy?

[Goahead76]

For the same reason that child pornography is considered so heinous, it sexualizes children and destroys something that in all regards should be protected and kept innocent. The same goes for child abuse or neglect or any other similar act, it squashes their innocence. Go listen to testimony of the boys now men who were molested by Catholic priests, they talk about struggling their entire lives with the damage psychologically. This is obviously combined with a physical act, but it's still very similar in that sexualizing kids screws them up later in life.

[DrPepper12]

So Knowledge=Unhealthy. 5000 years of western and eastern philosophy says your wrong.

[goaded]

He's OK with his son reading (good), but can't see that vaccines made masks less important (I wore one today because I've got a shitty cold).

[OddBeMe]

But the anal sex! It could lead to Covid in the bunghole!

[dustybiker2]

He's a helluva father encouraging his kid into reading that in that position in the video. It's ten times worse than stumbling across it in a library and chuckling over it in the corner with friends.

[Juxtapose]

@dustybiker2 that's demented.

[dustybiker2]

The fact you don't see how harmful that is to a kid his age speaks volumes.

[Juxtapose]

@dustybiker2 the father is doing what he needs to do to make sure that smut is taken out of public schools. I am proud of him.

[dustybiker2]

Using his child to prove a point? His job is to protect that child. Lots of ways to prove a mere point leaving the kid out of it completely. Showboat.

[Juxtapose]

@dustybiker2 having a child read that in front of the audience is more impactful and will teach the child how to fight against degeneracy.

[dustybiker2]

He's using a child... did that sink in?

[dustybiker2]

There are 35 yr old men here who couldn't read that on camera.

[OddBeMe]

@dustybiker2 I’m not even sure it’s bad for this kid to even read. Any worse than what he watches on tv?

[dustybiker2]

Agreed. It's the manipulation that bothers me.

[OddBeMe]

@dustybiker2 true, the parents preaching causes more harm than a sex scene in literature.

[dustybiker2]

Clearly masks, years later, is still a superior topic though.

[OddBeMe]

@dustybiker2 it all dovetails. I have a few friends/teachers and “those” parents are always the same ones. Anti mask, anti “porn” when it’s just huck finn…. lol

[dustybiker2]

Yet check out their bedroom closets.

[Juxtapose]

@dustybiker2 if 35-year-old man couldn't read that then why the fuck is it in a school library for kids to read?

[Juxtapose]

Jesus Christ it's like everybody wants to avoid the main issue here.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose She's talking about you, twit! You're the "35-year-old man".

[Juxtapose]

What makes you think I also was not talking about myself?

[Juxtapose]

I don't really care who she was talking about anyway, it doesn't change any of my points whatsoever.

[DrPepper12]

@dustybiker2 "Judge not lest ye be judged" is a verse they never seem to have read... 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 judge me all you want. If I don't like it I'll tell you to suck my dick and move on.

[DrPepper12]

Yeah and they never seem to understand that they're omniscient omnipotent God can do everything except handle money because he always needs more of it...

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 I recognize that from George Carlin.

[DrPepper12]

@Juxtapose so your ok saying that on a site with minors but im the one in the wrong? Ok groomer...

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 trying to equate a private website with a public school library is disingenuous. I'm not even talking about restricting regular libraries.. you're so far off the mark it hurts.

[SotiCoto]

As far as I'm concerned, the only books children absolutely should not be subjected to are religious brain-washing texts... e. g. the Bible, Quran, etc. THOSE can cause permanent harm to children to an extent nothing else can.

[DrPepper12]

Agreed. Permanent psychological abuse and trauma. Those books are not fit for anyone

[Anonymous]

Kids his age are very impressionable. The fact he found a soft porn book meant for adults at his school, is disturbing. What's next? They're going to start putting Hustler and Playboy on the magazine rack too? The kid hasn't even hit puberty yet. There is a time to be a kid, and a time to start growing up. Books are not dangerous, it's certain parts of society which are dangerous.

[meepmeeperton]

I think a kid that young should lay off the video games and go play outside. They should only really read about sex in an educational manner, too.

[OddBeMe]

Good for your kid. Dont make rules for mine.

[meepmeeperton]

Sorry buddy but your kid will have to suffer not getting to read funny anal sex books at school to heckin’ OWN the conservatards, and we’re sending you to the wood chippers…

[OddBeMe]

I wish you fckin right wingers would stay out of peoples lives.

[meepmeeperton]

Ah yes, the private lives of children at public school…

[DextroShade]

@OddBeMe you just want to groom children to have sex with you without those pesky parents getting in the way.

[OddBeMe]

@DextroShade no, if I had a child they’d be educated enough not to lose their minds over a BOOK.

[meepmeeperton]

“Son, I want you to be educated so you don’t end up like these heckin’ maladjusted chuds who lose their minds over BOOKS. I’m adding The 120 Days of Sodom to your summer reading list.”

[msc545]

What you are really asking is this: "Is thinking dangerous?"

[OddBeMe]

Basically.

[HighValue]

Juxtapose is correct.

As a teacher, this kind of disgusting immoral BS is one of the reasons I left California because I refuse to be a part of a school that promotes that content to children.

[DrPepper12]

As a teacher i trust the faculty or trustees elected by the community in consultation with experienced educators to make the decision what should be AVAILABLE to students or patrons. Dont like it? Don't take it out but ill be damned if you're gonna tell me what my kid can and can't read. That will NEVER happen!

[HighValue]

@DrPepper12 You support child abuse. You are a sick person. They used to put people in prison for exposing kids to that kind of content.

[DrPepper12]

So the elected community leaders belong in jaul? And the pedagogical professionals they cobsulted too? Just for having media PURCHASED and AVAILABLE?

YOU dont get to choose what is available to the community! Don't like it? Run for school board or library trustee.

YOU OR ANYONE ELSE DOESN'T GET A VETO! LIBERTY DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!

[MacDaddyRico]

Books are good, but explicit books do not belong in the hands of children until the age of consent.

These books are part of an agenda to destroy the fabric of our country, and especially do not belong in our tax-funded schools.

[DrPepper12]

So the people the community elected are trying to destroy the community they represent? Im dizzy from your circular readining.

[MacDaddyRico]

@DrPepper12 Do some research and you might understand...
Why are teachers and school boards pushing the LBGT+++ Agenda in ELEMENTRY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS?
That crap belongs in the home between consenting adults, not pushed on our impressionable children.

[DrPepper12]

Ok. So if it exists, ignore it and pretend it doesn't. Exclude it from health, phys ed, biology and sex ed. Dont develop an authentic curriculum.

See how silly that sounds? SMDH

[MacDaddyRico]

@DrPepper12 Just exactly WTF are you jabbering on about?

[DrPepper12]

You putting your head in the sand by a river named denial... No winder ignore and ignorance have the same root... 🙄

[MacDaddyRico]

@DrPepper12 What the fuck are you talking about?

[DextroShade]

This is straight up grooming, there is nothing else you can call it. Anyone who supports this is a fucking pedophile and should get shanked in prison.

[DrPepper12]

I think christianity is grooming and the bible is obscene porn and depravity.

[Iron_Man]

Keep them away from dangerous games

[OddBeMe]

So you advocate for keeping kids from violence and sex on tv, movies and video games?

[Iron_Man]

Yes I do

[OddBeMe]

Tall order. Lots of censorship there. Even though there’s zero data that links violence to violent media?

[Iron_Man]

I wanna allow it for my child if I ever have one

[OddBeMe]

Personal parenting choice. (Tangent: same as parents of trans kids.)

I would never demand access to how you parent.

[Iron_Man]

That’s what parenting is you have to coach up the kids you can’t allow them to have their own away. There needs to be disciplined and organization

[Iron_Man]

What does a trans kid have to do with my parenting?

[OddBeMe]

1) agreed
2) nothing thats why I said tangent

[OddBeMe]

That scared of having a trans kid?

[AngryCarl]

In my day we called that sex education.