Should foreigner’s opinions be considered relevant compared to American citizens living in the USA in regards to presidential elections?

[blueonblack22]

I have been noticing more of this bullshit lately. Lots of foreigners spouting their opinions on Trump vs Biden and the 2024 election

That’s not to say they can’t have an opinion. However if they don’t live in this country nor have to live under the policies our elected leaders have enacted then they better stfu when it comes to lecturing Americans.

They can have an opinion. But their opinion should never be respected as equal to an American citizen who votes here and lives here when it comes to politics. American citizens have to live with the direct fall out of elected leader’s policies. They don’t (most of the time). At least not directly

To a limited extent I give more leeway to nationals who are from our direct neighbors (Mexico and Canada). Some but not full leeway. I also can also understand citizens in war time nations (Ukraine, Russia, Israel, Gaza, etc) are obviously going to be heavily impacted by US policy. I can see why people from these countries have a vested interest in the outcome of the 2024 election.

But most foreigners are getting their news about American current events directly from our mass media (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, etc.) and not from independent journalists. They are getting a very warped and twisted view on what life is really like here. Sure their own countries have their own journalists. Some of them might even live in the USA and cover stories about that they eyewitness. But most of them are getting their updates from heavily partisan sources (including famous celebrities spouting their twisted views). So they are misinformed from the start.

Just seeing a lot this bs on GAG lately. I know I don’t waste my time lecturing foreigners about their domestic politicians and elections.

I am American and no. They don’t live here so why should I listen to them?

I am American and yes. I will listen to them the same way I listen to someone who lives here

I am not American and no.

I am not American and yes.

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I know our mass media gets broadcasted worldwide. I am not saying that people outside the USA follow their own media sources. Of course they do. But without a doubt our MSM is influencing their perception of the USA worldwide. I also know our social media is heavily censored (except X). I also the communist people republic of China is deeply and expertly involved in spreading disinformation about the USA especially in social media further warping foreigners views of us.

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Also for all of you saying “well you are American so you believe in free speech”. Of course I believe in that. I explicitly said “foreigners CAN have an opinion”. But I can have an opinion ABOUT them having an opinion.

This was motivated by a foreigner who tried to lecture me about issues not just in the USA but politics in my actual f*cking home state. Like he knows better about my locale then I do. Just the condescending ignorance of these people and 95% of the time they are leftists.

[RebelinSteel]

It’s the internet, people have a myriad of views and opinions.

consider it 2 car salesmen offering two really old past their prime cars, everyone looks at them and wonders why anyone would want something that old.

one is prone to breaking down and has on a number of occasions, it’s navigation is crap and often gets lots, everyone knows it’s going to breakdown likely permanently in next couple of years.

the other car is equally unknown, it’s has a really loud exhaust but does not seem to get anywhere, this one may also breakdown and while not as bad does have issues with navigation, also this old car is likely to banned from overseas trips as the model will not be allowed to visit.

now the un biased view is that why would anyone want to go with either car, both are really crap and have history on this, it would be far better to actually have a model from either brand that worked, did not get lost, was not likely to be banned for overseas trips, a car model where people could feel happy with and they knew would not breakdown on them.

When you think the US can have people as amazing as the ‘guy’ in the YouTube video, you have to wonder why someone like this is not the person elected. Yes this guy is a Marine but they must be equally amazing people in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/TBuIGBCF9jc

Yes American views of their own country and political system are paramount, however coming from a country that promotes free speech….

we have our elections going on at the moment, here we tend to vote as we see fit and do not only just vote for a party for life (some do, in fact the chances of a conservative being elected in some seats is like a nun being elected pope).

What we do not really have is the level of political hate you see on this forum from Americans, some must be frothing at the mouth as they type out their comments, this is the same from either side of the divide.

[blueonblack22]

I explicitly said they can have an opinion. Also agree we are getting the worst candidates nominated. Stupid low information voters push them through the primaries. I HATE the bipartisan electorate system we have. I didn’t want Trump for the Republican nominee.

But are forced to choose the lesser of two evils. Considering what Biden has done as president Trump is absolutely the lesser of two of evils. But it’s bad enough when democrats scream at their fellow Americans for supporting Trump. But now we got foreigners judging left and right. Most of them are getting extremely biased viewpoints on how their our politicians domestic policies impact our lives.

But I am really pissed off and disturbed about his conviction. And it’s just not about Trump but about a much bigger and scarier issue going on with our new banana republic lawfare going on. And LOTS of leftist foreigners are acting all giddy and posting about the verdict. THAT pissed me off.

by the way you say “oh it’s just the internet”. Well our geopolítical enemies Russia and especially China know “it’s just the it internet” and they have incredible time and resources to spread online propaganda to further divide our country. The psychological warfare is causing more damage then most people realize.

[RebelinSteel]

Yep the Chinese and Russians run a very sophisticated level of misinformation, whereas on here it’s a bunch of Jonny Foreigner who admit they are from here there n everywhere, the Russians and Chinese will create accounts purporting to come from the US, they will often have a large number of other ‘supporters’ who will help with the spread of misinformation, often it’s really minor but gradually builds up and within social media it allows them to spot real Americans that support that point of view. Then the sophistication of Bots has went through the roof with the likes of ChatGPT 4o.

[WindAtMyBack]

I would say it matters for a couple of important reasons. I'll also say it doesn't matter for maybe an even bigger reason.

It matters because the US is highly influential around the world. US foreign policies matter in a big way around the world.

It matters because the presidency is largely a diplomatic position. Americans always want the president to do all kinds of things domestically, but that's not his primary job. If a US president is not doing a good job as a diplomat and representing the country, then he's not doing his job.

Now the big reason it doesn't matter what people in other countries think. I have yet to meet anyone from another country who really understood the US, except possibly people who spent a considerable time here, ideally living in multiple locations.

They get their information from all kinds of flawed sources. That includes the news, television, movies, etc. People in other countries have all kinds of wrong ideas about the US. I don't expect them to be experts, or even moderately knowledgeable. But they try to pretend that they are, when they're not.

Bottom line is that I quit caring what people in other countries think a long time ago. I suppose it would matter if they actually knew anything about it, but they don't, so it doesn't.

[purplepoppy]

To quote the Scottish Poet Burns, " “o wad some pow'r the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us!”We foreigners are simply giving you that insight and you should be grateful for it. The truth is our opinion is more valid than yours because we're evaluating each event through unbiased eyes and not just being a good little obedient Rep/Lib whos blindly towing the line.

[blueonblack22]

Why am I not surprised you would be chiming in on this question. You have spouting opinions on American politics for years.

Have you ever been to the USA? If yes, where and how long? Where do you get your news? Tik tok? Is your IG profile filled with American friends who are all young and liberal?

Until you live here for at least 2 years and visit different regions in the country (and I am not talking just NYC or LA) then you will never have an honest understanding of what life is really like for people out here.

But I got a feeling you wouldn’t be too comfortable living in a major blue city for very long (especially LA). It’s gotten very dangerous.

[purplepoppy]

I've never been to the moon either but I'll spout opinions about it. My opinion is more valid than yours because our news isn't just political propaganda like yours. I'm free to form a logical unbiased opinion.

[blueonblack22]

BBC isn’t biased?

[blueonblack22]

@purplepoppy if you haven’t been here then you have a lot less room to judge our politicians. FAR less room.

[blueonblack22]

Out of fairness I can say I’ve never been to the UK. Although I have been it Iceland

[SaoirseS]

I think the outside-looking-in perspective is useful, whether it’s politics or any other aspect of life in the U. S.


Fellow Americans don’t care for my opinions on politics or religion in America, which is why I avoid the subjects and just go vote when the time comes. That’s fair because I don’t care for theirs either.

[abc3643]

Yes. In fact, in the US Constitution, it implicitly says so in a way.

This is because the decennial census, required in Article I Section 2, counts all persons and not just citizens. So, since noncitizens existence influences the apportionment of the House of Representatives, their existence influences legislation. And, since the House of Representatives ultimately decides the Presidency in the event of an electoral college tie, the existence of noncitizens very much can impact who becomes President. Furthermore, noncitizens who live and work here are still paying taxes; even illegal aliens are still paying sales taxes and contributing to the economy even if they are not paying any income taxes.

[abc3643]

To answer your question about genuine non-Americans living abroad, you bet their opinions are important.

Ask yourself this: Suppose you own a home in some neighborhood. How well do you think it's going to be living their if you've pissed off all your neighbors. Furthermore, if you own a local business whose products and services are bought by those very same neighbors, how do you think your sales are going to be once you piss them off.

The reality of geopolitics is really just that: Each nation is a family living in a neighborhood with about 200 other neighbors. It's best for you to get along with as many as you can and for them to think highly of you. It's OK if a few of them don't, but if a lot of them don't, you're going to have problems.

[abc3643]

Foreigners in the First World do have a tendency to be "leftist" because their nations have existed for centuries and are close together. Countless wars have taught many of them about how to avoid that; that, in a sense, they are like conjoined twins and fighting hurts them both.

[blueonblack22]

So you read my updates but you seemed to gloss over this part:

“ I explicitly said “foreigners CAN have an opinion”. But I can have an opinion ABOUT them having an opinion.”

[abc3643]

I have no problem with that and I didn't respond to your update.

[blueonblack22]

Alright I thought you read it.

I’ve just been noticing foreigners have become increasingly vocal and judgements of US politicians and elections over the years despite the US not being actively engaged in a war (e. g. Iraq).

If US policy directly impacts their country (especially in war time) I can understand that to a certain extent. But if our policy doesn’t then I get pissed at their criticism.

I’m especially fed up with western leftist Europeans acting deranged over Trump. Yes I know Trump is a lightning rod for attention and feeds off negative energy. He loves “being in the fight”. But it’s an issue of personality vs. POLICY that I am so fed up. Overall Trump had a far superior policy compared to Biden. We had a robust economy, peace in the Middle East (mass media completely buried the historical Abraham accords of course), relatively safer streets in the US, a strong border policy, peace talks with a very dangerous adversary North Korea, etc.

Trump was also considered unpredictable by our enemies which is GOOD for deterrence. Deterrence maintains peace. Biden on the other hand is considered feeble, indecisive and feckless. That ENCOURAGES foreign aggression.

Does that mean I always liked Trump’s optics, asinine tweets and sometimes inflammatory rhetoric? Of course not. He was often embarrassing af.

But talk is cheap. However I’m fed up with foreigners judging trump completely on his personality and rhetoric vs what he actually accomplished when he was in office.

[abc3643]

What he actually accomplishes upsets them. He stokes hatred and nationalism. The very same thing that created Hitler and the Europeans had to live with that nightmare much more than we did. They don't a repeat of that - especially in the US who came to rescue Europe from Hitler and then, with the Marshall Plan, rebuilt Europe. To them, Trump is very reminiscent of Hitler and his desire to break-up NATO or get the US out of it at least is very worrisome to them. The nations of Europe don't want to become the next Ukraine. It is also very much in line with what Putin wants which is why Russia's clandestine US election interference always supports Trump.

So, yes, my European friends are nervous about Trump and, as history taught them, justifiably so.

[blueonblack22]

How exactly was Trump “Hitlerian” in his first term? I am really, explain. How exactly was the Trump policy “authoritarian”. Was he invading countries and starting wars? Was he nationalizing American industries? Was he expanding government powers to limit and control the rights of American citizens?

Here is what is truly authoritarian:

- Weaponizing tax payer funded government law enforcement agencies to spy on political opposition. Obama greenlit the FBI via FISA investigation on Trump. It has been recently been uncovered that the DOJ had a full list of Trump’s Twitter followers. www.newsweek.com/did-jack-smith-investigate-trumps-twitter-followers-what-we-know-1848167

- Forcing a vaccine mandare on 80 million Americans. I was never an “anti vaxxer” but that was beyond egregious to force American citizens to involuntarily take vaccines lest their livelihoods be destroyed.

- Using the power of government agencies to censor “misinformation” online (which is not the same as disinformation). The most egregious example was the Hunter Biden laptop story being censored.

- Forcing corporations to propagate DEI policies on to their employees lest then can be fined and/or delisted from stock exchanges.

- Greenlighting the DOJ to pursue criminal charges against political opposition DURING AN ELECTION CYCLE.

Tell me exactly just how “authoritarian” the GOP has been compared to above. Trump could go let his DOJ go after Hilary Clinton when he was in office but he didn’t. He said it would be a bad look for America and he’s right.

But again how is Trump even remotely a “Hitler” compare to what the Biden administration has done? And I know you are going to bring up J6. That was a very stupid ugly isolated event that was cleaned up in 3 hours, the election was certified, Trump peacefully left office and the perpetrators were all eventually arrested and fully prosecuted (some over prosecuted). That was over fast and a very isolated event.

[abc3643]

Trump uses the same exact tactics that Hitler used to rise to power.
Indeed, before you were born, Trump's first wife, Ivana, admitted that Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bed.

The original September 1990 Vanity Fair article from which this came to light.
archive.vanityfair.com/.../e515a2cd-a51b-4f83-8d61-6ebb9a104e0a

Vanity Fair's August 2015 article of the "7 Takeaways from Vanity Fair’s 1990 Profile of Donald Trump", subtitled "V. F. writer-at-large Marie Brenner’s investigation of Trump reveals he hasn’t changed much in 25 years."
www.vanityfair.com/.../donald-trump-marie-brenner-ivana-divorce

Here's an excerpt from the later article which also quotes the earlier interview.
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4. When pressed on awkward topics—such as whether or not he regularly read Adolf Hitler’s speeches—he turns skittish and, perhaps, inventive.

(Excerpt from 1990 interview article.)
Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

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[abc3643]

Trump definitely uses Hitler's techniques which is why we are where we are. I am not saying he's as evil as Hitler, just that he's following a similar game plan.

The NAZI Party in the 1930s was basically "Make Germany Great Again".

To unify your people, you need an enemy...
HITLER: The Jews in our country are the problem.
TRUMP: The illegal aliens in our country are the problem.

And you need to have some event to attempt to destroy democracy...
HITLER: The Reichstag Fire of 1933 and then Kristallnacht in 1938.
TRUMP: January 6th, 2021.
Schwarzenegger sums it up...
x.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240

[abc3643]

ByTW, if you have Netflix, you might want to watch this documentary series...
https://www.netflix.com/title/81561941

New York Times Review...
www.nytimes.com/.../...e-nazis-netflix-review.html
TITLE: Hitler and the Nazis’ Review: Building a Case for Alarm
SUBTITLE: Joe Berlinger’s six-part documentary for Netflix asks whether we should see our future in Germany’s past.

By Mike Hale
June 5, 2024, 12:16 p. m. ET

Hitler’s project: “Making Germany great again.” The Nazis’ characterization of criticism from the media: “Fake news.” Hitler’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden: “It’s sort of like Hitler’s Mar-a-Lago, if you will.”

Donald Trump’s name is not mentioned in the six episodes of “Hitler and the Nazis: Evil on Trial,” a new historical documentary series on Netflix. But it dances just beneath the surface, and occasionally, as in the examples above, the production’s cadre of scholars, popular historians and biographers can barely stop themselves from giving the game away.
...
In promotional material, Berlinger explains his decision to step up from true crime to total war and genocide: “This is the right time to retell this story for a younger generation as a cautionary tale,” he says, adding, “In America, we are in the midst of our own reckoning with democracy, with authoritarianism knocking at the door and a rise in antisemitism.” In other words, you can’t make a documentary about Germany in the 1930s and ’40s without holding the United States of the 2010s and ’20s in your mind.
...

[blueonblack22]

Again what POLICIES did Trump enact in his first term that was “Hitlerian”.

Also one side of the political aisle has a much more serious issue with “anti-semitism” right now and it isn’t the GOP. And don’t tell me that “anti Zionism” isn’t the same thing as anti-semitism. Not when you got elected democratic officials like ilhan Omar putting up posts that “Jewish money is hypnotizing the world”. And let’s not get started on the pro-Palestine movement. Actually we could get started on it given that outright anti-Semitism we are seeing on college campuses and from radical leftist groups like the black Hebrew Israelites (who the MSM completely ignores).

I got a feeling you will remain fixated on the “Trump is the next Hitler” conspiracy theory though. Yes he’s a blow hard and blurts out stupid rhetoric. But did he ACT on any of it when he was in office?

Anyway when you can’t even acknowledge the egregious authoritarian actions the Biden administration has taken to oppress political opposition and private American citizens alike then we definitely have a problem.

[blueonblack22]

But tbh I believe some leftist elitists actually secretly WANT Trump in office. Because they use the “this is the uprising of Hitler” as an excuse to act deranged and propagate far leftists movements like metoo, BLM and defundthepolice.

The mass media absolutely loves to hate him. Leftist outlets like CNN, NYT and MSNBC made boatloads of money with all the viewership and subscriptions they got when he was in office.

[abc3643]

I see you´ve completely drank the Kool-Aid.
Good luck!

[abc3643]

I am not saying Trump has Hitlerian policies, but his tendency to be autocratic (which he could be all his life) and against the rule of law and democracy overall are what are the biggest problems with him.

[blueonblack22]

Well regardless which one of us drank the Kool-Aide Joe Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president in modern US history. Americans are NOT happy with him and for good reason.

Going around saying “well Trump is a threat to democracy” is not going to cut it especially given his administration not even remotely close to that during his first term. Not even remotely close to anything as authoritarian as what the Biden administration.

But I believe Biden hasn’t been in control of his administration throughout his entire presidency. He’s being controlled by his radical leftist flank.

[ZackBan]

The country, where you think you have authority to give anyone leeway to say another, ensures to dump all of it's problems and air all of it's dirty laundry onto the outside world.

No one is sitting around watching CNN but we get the news anyway. In fact we can't avoid getting it.

And then you have the US's grubby little hands in all affairs of state in the world so whoever presides there has a direct impact on the lives of those foreigners you deem "lesser"

And it's not like any non US Citizen can vote. But saying "shouldn't have an opinion" definitely childish and narrow minded

[NathanDavis]

at least they're not invading and directly interfering as much as we do with other countries and territories...

because when it comes to foreign policy, America does not only have an opinion but a very long arm to reach with... and to move pieces here and there, lol

[blueonblack22]

They are “not invading” and we had 10 million illegal immigrants pour across our border since 2020. Sure.

[NathanDavis]

right... the USA has never invaded another country, lol

[Kingofkings1992]

I’ve had the same thoughts myself, it doesn’t make any sense. You don’t live in America yet you want to Talk about American politics. GTFOH, seriously. Of course other nations would rather Trump not be in office, Because they can push around someone like Joe Biden. Trump will not allow other nations to push us around.

[Kingofkings1992]

@purplepoppy and @provokeesmokee are both idiots by the way

[blueonblack22]

Yeah I noticed with your last comment. But purple poppy was surprisingly more thoughtful in her last response. I was expecting “well but I’m not American and I can say f*ck Trump and vote for Biden all I want”. But he surprisingly did respond like that.

But she’s from the UK which itself has having major problems due to radical leftist policies. This might be slowly sinking in for some people.

Provokesmokee says she is from the US in her profile and then admitted straight up she’s not. Calling her an idiot is much more accurate now because I will have much less respect for her opinions of American political issues.

[purplepoppy]

Actually we have a right wing government in at the moment in the UK but it's predicted they'll be almost wiped out and kicked into 3rd place come July.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, loving how absolutely untethered Americans get. Triggering Republican snowflakes is one of the easiest things to do.

[Kingofkings1992]

@provokeesmokee …but I’m not republican. Nowhere close to it try again

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, okay bucko. Whatever helps you feel like you know your politics.

I pity your countrymen that they're burdened with you.

[blueonblack22]

@provokeesmokee yes yes we are such “snowflakes” given we are worried about more hyperinflation, a stagnating economy, millions of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders using our f*cking tax payer dollars (this is happening to the UK too @purplepoppy) and ongoing wars abroad costing us even more taxpayer money and even American lives.

@provokeesmokee I actually think you might be an American but just said you weren’t one JUST to stick up for the non-Americans. How very woke of you. Seriously why did you put in you are from the United States in your profile?

If you really are American do you want another 4 years of hyperinflation? But you probably don’t even pay your own bills and could care less.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, I didn't even know country displayed on this app. I never use desktop so I don't really see that. I also don't care enough about it to do anything about it.

Cry some more.

If you really worried about what you listed, you'd know Trump is the worst choice for it and being all nationalism is associated with a weakening of your economy and your supply chain - as you can already experience.

But hey, bitter American men are not known for being smart or logical. It's okay, snowflake. Just keep doing you, baby.

[blueonblack22]

@provokeesmokee the last I che iced nobody was realistically complaining about American economy in 2017 to 2019 when Trump was in office. He briefly go nuts about tariffs on China but he got that resolved.

Biden has crushed domestic oil production was has a direct impact on our economy. It’s not just about the cost of gas but energy costs get favored into EVERYTHING.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, lemme guess, you also think the future of energy is coal? 🤣

Shows how little you actually know about what affects your economy.

But hey, you also are America-centric who thinks "foreigners shouldn't have opinions". Apparently you also have a problem with the First Amendment.

[blueonblack22]

@provokeesmokee until your IQ reaches a score above room temperature (in Celsius since we are using the metric system) you can come back to me and debate American politics.

Also if America is so horrible then why is it millions of people want to illegally come here? Why do foreigners gobble up our entertainment and music? Why are foreigners so reliant on our inventions and technology (do you own a iPhone)?

But again you live in la la land wherever you are from (and you haven’t admitted that yet). I’m guessing you are likely Canadian.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmaoo, bruh you know so little about so many topics it'd be too hard to explain even the basics of what topics you SHOULD research would be.

Not that a sensitive little manchild like yourself could take the existential crisis waiting for you on the other end of logic.

Cry more, Yank, cry more.

I'll keep having my opinion on your politics - it, and you, are fucked because of generations of your own willful ignorance and hate. And you can keep crying about it.

Boo hoo, American. Your freedom of speech doesn't make it illegal for me to insult your lack of critical thinking skills.

[blueonblack22]

@provokeesmokee you still won’t admit where you are from. I’ve guessing you are far leftist Canadian.

[blueonblack22]

Funny you criticize my “critical thinking skills” and yet you offered absolute nothing of substance, facts or logic to debate anything I said. @Kingofkings1992 and I concur on his original assessment of you.

[Kingofkings1992]

@blueonblack22 don’t waste your time arguing with her. She’s a complete fucking moron. She calls right wingers “snowflakes,” while it was the left who literally came up with the idea of a safe space. Lmfao

[Kingofkings1992]

And get offended by someone saying she instead of they. Lmfao

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, love how it takes two American men jerking each other off to feel better about themselves.

Thanks for being so easy to troll, Yanks. 😊

[KrakenAttackin]

I don't know why so much of the world is obsessed with the U. S. I have traveled extensively and am always surprised how much of their daily news centers around the U. S.

[blueonblack22]

The thing is they are developing their “opinions” based on highly partisan reporting. That makes it worse.

We are very powerful and influential country. We most world changing inventions have originated in our country.

But as of late foreigners have become obsessed about our politics and petty bullshit like Trump being an “orange Hitler”. What exactly did Trump do during his time in office that was even remotely “hitlerian”.

[KrakenAttackin]

@blueonblack22. I agree. The MSM is so leftist agenda focused that they have created a rift across the world.

[blueonblack22]

Social media made all of this exponentially worse. Most people have no idea how deeply the communist party of China has been involved with political meddling. Far worse then Russia.

[AngryCarl]

I'm not an American and I do have opinions but I don't think they are more relevant than people who actually live there. The map is not the territory.

I'm well aware that people outside of the UK have a completely false idea about what our country is like, and particularly the political climate, so I assume the same is true in reverse.

[blueonblack22]

@angrycarl “legal boxers” blocked me on my other post like a little bitch. So I couldn’t respond to you about the 89% comment. But you read my response there and despite me disagreeing with his question did I “troll” anybody personally in that? Seriously, did I?

Anyway you were right it “the 89% of people in Manhattan voted for Biden in 2020” was way off. Instead it was 84.5%. Here are the hard facts below. I was so “inaccurate”. Oh “my ass”’ for being such a “liar”.

www.gothamgazette.com/.../9961-breaking-down-2020-vote-new-york-city-biden-trump

I figured that doesn’t change your opinion on anything. But when it comes down to hard facts the jury for Trump’s criminal trial was selected from the Manhattan which again voted 84.5% for Biden in the 2020 election.

And let’s say statistically at least two jurors voted for Trump in 2020. Would those two people really stand their ground during the verdict deliberations to find Trump “not guilty” knowing they have to return home to a neighborhood that would want their heads for letting him off?

Anyway I figure all of that makes zero difference of your opinion or not so maybe I’m wasting my time. Hard facts and logic doesn’t matter.

But I will say this. I honestly would NOT be okay with lawfare being used against a democrat if the situation was exactly the same. This goes well beyond just the Trump Biden election. This is what corrupt third world countries do in politics. This is BAD for America.

[AviatorTom]

Considering we live in a Global Economy and the US President has to work with other countries (ex: G7 summits, NATO alliance, visits to other countries), the opinions of non-Americans are important, though not as important as American citizens.

[bolverk]

I'm not an American, and NO foreigners opinions should have no input into Americas Elections, and I say this after living in the US for 10 years through two election cycles.

[Astarlessnightsky]

If you are not an American at least you aren't biased because of some blind and mindless following of one of the same parties and can judge them more objectively.

[Avicenna]

People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but few foreigners understand another country‘s society and systems well enough to offer a useful one.

[NamerOfStars]

You can't see the mountain from the mountaintop; it's entirely possible that an outsider would have a valuable perspective.

[provokeesmokee]

Lolololololol

Myopic American does stupid American things.

Do more, do more!

[blueonblack22]

Myopic or not we have to deal with tax policies, laws, immigration policies and economic policies that are impacted by who we elect. Why should we get lectured by foreigners about it.

[provokeesmokee]

Lol, dumb American thinks globalization doesn't exist.

Do more, American, do more! Say more dumb American shit!

[blueonblack22]

Lol fellow dumb work American spouts dumb self derogatory remark to impress foreigners.

Of course I know what globalization is you dumb cunt. But I don’t give a sh*t about voting a candidate via what foreigners think vs. what direct impact it his on my own life.

Sounds to me you really like hyperinflation.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmaooo oh man, love how you think I'm American.

Continue to be wrong, American Idiot, it's making my day. Keep going!

Murica fuck yeah! 🤣🤣🤣

[blueonblack22]

You put you are from the United States in your profile. So you just outed yourself that your not America. Now I know what vantage point to judge you from when you post about US politics.

Brilliant move above with that admission. So smart. You could go kept up the facade but you just weakened your position.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, oh no, a site has a default and no one ever lies on the internet to Americans! 🤣

Fucking love how you're so tilted, Yankee Doodle. Keep going. More America!

[exitseven]

I do not care what they say as long as they are not allowed to vote.

[noohair]

I don't get involved with other countries internal affairs. BITUSA

[Anonymous]

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[FunkyMonkee]

Most have said they'd vote for Trump.

[jimmy2]

Trump will deport all illegals

[blueonblack22]

That’s not possible. But he will crack down a lot of the bullshit.