Should someone who loathes their country and disavows it still be allowed to have the benefits of said country?

[MCheetah]

If you have someone who's been given virtually everything they've ever wanted in life, for being lucky enough to be born in a certain country, but hates their country because they're a spoiled brat sh*tstain and takes every opportunity to disrespect their country and its people, should that someone still be allowed to have the benefits, perks, and privileges that comes with being a citizen of that country?

Say this is a person who has spit on their country's flag and disrespected it several times and openly denounced citizenship. They then do something stupid in an authoritarian regime and get punished severely for it. Should their home country come to this person's aid and help them?

You could argue "yes, even if they're a spoiled sh*tstain, we don't leave behind our own." But you can also argue "there are no rules or obligations to go out of our way to save someone who never respected the place they're from and now have their wish to no longer live there," especially if this person has repeatedly disrespected their country and citizens.

So what do you think? Do we prove to this person why they've been wrong their whole lives? Or do we let them live by their own words, actions, and choices?

THE FATHERLY APPROACH: Yes, we help our own, even if they're spoiled little brats.

THE TOUGH LOVE APPROACH: They've got to earn their citizenship back and apologize several times to get back into their country's good graces before we even think about helping them.

THE HARSH APPROACH: They've unofficially renounced all citizenship. Screw 'em! They're on their own!

[Avicenna]

Griner's disrespect of the flag and the national anthem was disgraceful, but the Biden Administration should of course still provide the same support to her that it should to any other US citizen. If she can be released in exchange for someone who is not dangerous or not serving a sentence for a serious crime, then fine, make the trade. But the "Merchant of Death" should not be released for her.

[StevieNix]

I'm still wondering why Biden left hundreds of Americans behind in Afghanistan.

[Avicenna]

@StevieNix: They weren't well-connected like Griner is, and they were too patriotic for traitor Biden. But thanks for correctly reminding us that traitor Biden abandoned an unknown number of US citizens to the tender mercies of the totalitarian Taliban, who the SJWs now imagine to be on their side.

[StevieNix]

Oliver North said that the Americans left behind were gifts for the Taliban. Now they can use them for leverage and blackmail.

[Avicenna]

@StevieNix: They don't need leverage and don't need to blackmail a traitorous administration that already wants to gift them everything they want. They were already gifted $85 billion in up-to-date military equipment and who knows what else.

[MCheetah]

@Avicenna
I'd have more respect for the Biden Administration (or more accurately, less disrespect) if they left Griner there permanently. At the very least, then they'd be consistent with their lack of morals and values. But if they bend over backwards to rescue an anti-American who was vocal about hating the US just because this person is semi-famous and check a few diversity boxes, while they let innocent American-loving civilians rot in Afghanistan one year ago, THEN I'd consider the Biden Administration to be beyond all respect and would actively wish for their immediate ejection out of power, by any means necessary.

My question isn't necessarily about the current news though, but anyone in this situation, hence how I worded it.

[ChiTown33]

This is the thing about living in a free society. Maybe not everyone deserves the freedoms they enjoy. But everyone is guaranteed those freedoms. While I may not agree with them I consider it absolutely American to dissent.

[StevieNix]

She brought pot into Russia.

[ChiTown33]

@StevieNix agreed. And regardless of whether that was intentional or by accident as she claims. She should be punished. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Look I'm not that broken up about this. I've always said, when you leave the United States you leave it's protection. I'd never go to Russia (even before Ukraine). But certainly not now and if I was somehow forced to I wouldn't evenjaywalk. Because you're in a country without true liberty. The rule of law DOES NOT RULE! Griner is finding that out now. And she's at the mercy of whatever backhanded deal the Biden adminastration can make. Now we're going to see how much star power a top WNBA player actually has. b

[Oigit]

Funny enough when you travel to other countries or from a foreign country to here, you are expected to declare anything you are bringing into the country outside of basics like clothing and what is on your person at the air port. The entire point is to keep people from smuggling items in or out of a given country. It is also so that you can let the authorities know that you are bringing things like RX medication into the country so that it will not cause a problem with the authorities. But if at any point you get caught with undeclared items you will land in serious trouble. It does not matter what country we are talking about as well.

This is why a good policy to not even bring things like sunscreen or shampoo with you and simply buy it after you get into the country you are traveling to. Simply because when you just bring your clothing and hardly anything else, you can avoid any issues.

In general that's part of international travel 101. Something that she should have researched before leaving for Russia.

[StevieNix]

LOL
I was watching a travel channel, and the guy said there are only two types of luggage:

1. Carry-on
2. Lost

Your sunscreen would end up in a different country, anyway.

[StevieNix]

I would never go to Russia, but if I did, I wouldn't be stupid enough to break their laws.

I do, however, think the US should send her an American flag to brighten up her prison cell.

My cousin told me about the story of what happened to an American kid in Singapore.

He was caught spray painting graffiti on cars. My cousin wasn't there at the time, but he went there on a business trip. He said before the planes land, the flight attendants come around and collect all of your gum. They do it for your own safety. Americans and Europeans think nothing of spitting their used gum on the ground. Bad idea.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yih_MiIFVbc

[Oigit]

There is a lot of stories from pro-wrestlers who went to North Korea for a wrestling event called Collision in Korea and all the crazy crap that happened. Basically they where fallowed by North Korean authorities everywhere and even had the phone lines in their hotel rooms tapped by the NK gov. At one point a wrestler Scott Norton made a negative remark about NK during a phone call home. The phone line went dead and the dude had armed NK military burst into his room yelling and screaming questions about what he said. Hell they had NK military stationed in the hotel and actively patrolling outside of their hotel rooms the entire time.

But in general going to Russia or North Korea is a hell no for me. I don't care how good the money is for participating is a event. I'm not stupid enough to go to a country that is openly hostile to the US. Even China is a hard sell. Simply due to how quickly our relations with them can go from bad to worse. Also In general after several crazy life experiences the idea of never saying never has been beaten into my head. So I'm sure as hell not going to a country where I can think of several negative what if scenarios.

[StevieNix]

@Oigit
Can you imagine if you got caught burning one of their flags?

[letuswaltzforthedead]

This is only a question because developed countries (which are the places with the most spoiled people) dont deal with threatening situations usually. If a tribe is attacking yours yet you have internal fighting over every minor things, if you have your own people complaining and hating on your tribe- you dont have a tribe. You will die. Same thing goes for countries. If there's anything I learned from my family is; you're allowed to dislike your country, if it comes from a place of wanting it to be better, but you're not allowed to be a complete hateful brat. It's your culture, your people, and it's your homeland.

As for the scenario you added, the person should face the consequences. Bad choices lead to bad outcomes, what did you expect? Why should your government, the one you hated on, come save you?

[USLegionary]

Absolutely but maybe now she has more respect for the flag she wiped her ass with. Time spent in a siberian gulag is maybe the reality check she needs.

[JDavid25]

I voted for C, but she is a U. S citizen so, yeah she should have the benefits.. maybe she'll actually have some appreciation for the U. S and the freedom we have here for now at least.. Looks like she in a way got what she publicly wished for.. Getting away from the U. S.. Hahaha..

[CaptainSmartass]

She's not only disrespected her own country, she's disrespected another country (Russia SSR). As an American subject, she should get the help from the US govt. but on her return, she should have to do some sort of act of community service. Whatever form that takes should be up to the government.

Simples...

[SlangSlayer]

Meh does she pay taxes in the USA if so then USA is obligated to hell her.

Most people live her for the money and the semi freedom.

She went to Russia for the money but it had no freedom.

I'd argue democrats owe her. group to free her because black woman vote the most for democrats

I don't care either way about it. But loyalty to a country is asinine to me.

[MCheetah]

It's not necessarily about loyalty, but gratitude. If you're living a sh*t, broke life in a First World country, then that's one thing. But if you're a pampered celebrity earning six or seven figures in a First World country and still hate that country for asinine BS reasons, then that's another thing.

I say, either stick to being anti-patrotic or be grateful. But don't be both.

[Chazmatazz269]

We don’t have to do anything. She did it to herself. Do the crime, do the time.
It would be a travesty of justice if the US were to “rescue” a criminal.

[exitseven]

The first thing I thought of was she will probably be happy not to have to live in a country she hates.

[muncher717]

if they're still a US citizen then yes if they no longer have their citizenship then no but this being shithole america and the psycho liberal democRATS help everyone except US citizens then shithole america would help those who gave up their citizenship

[Fuentes]

On their own don't sit in a enemy country and then stay when things get hostile and sanctions come lol how stupid do you get lol idc about Miss Griner at all.

[Rangers]

No and they should be sent to China for a month before they can come back so they can experience the conditions that their political views create

[DCooper]

Yes, but I don't consider the ability to trample on other countries' laws to be a legitimate benefit of being an American.

[BillyBalls]

Fuck the Hoe!!!

She fucked up!

Let her pay the price!!!1

[KrakenAttackin]

I bet this nasty nappy thing would be thrilled to get back to the U. S. right about now.

[msc545]

Yes, you cannot throw people out or revoke their rights because they don't agree with your politics or support your war-making.

[StevieNix]

No one threw her out. She broke the law in a foreign country.

[msc545]

@StevieNix So what? She did not do that in the US.

[MCheetah]

@msc545
No one is required to rescue a person based on nationality either, though.
Or does no one remember Joe Biden just one year ago, abandoning a bunch of Americans and allies in Afghanistan for absolutely no reason. (And as far as I remember, NEVER came back for them and India or someone had to rescue them.)

If Biden can sh*t on actual innocent people like that, then he can certainly let someone rot in prison for willingly breaking the law in a hostile nation because "Cannabis is good for you; ain't hurtin' no one."

[msc545]

I never said I thought she should be rescued. If she was not female and a sports figure and black she would not be rescued.

[worldscolide]

I voted the last one, she's a, piece of shit.

[JesseJayNeak]

Screw her/him, whatever it is

[StevieNix]

She brought pot into Russia.