Can someone explain the red pill movement to me?

[SugarSugarplum]

Red Pill Girl

It seems like these guys see the gym bros getting tons of tail, and then these same party girls will friend zone them, or ignore them completely.

I agree that these party girls who all line up to be the ninth girl on a top 10% guy's list are intensely dumb. Expecting those party guys to settle down with them is absurd - and can only end in tragedy. Those guys have lists of women they can call the second you become boring or demanding. So a girl can expect a few weeks of sex as long as she's bubbly and fun, but the moment she suggests he go exclusive, she's gone.

HOWEVER.

There are a lot of girls who live their lives for the future, not just the weekend. They are not interested in how much dick they can get, they are looking for security, home, hearth, and family. They don't get BBLs or fake tits or lip filler, and they look - as the red pillers say it - mid. They have a low body count because they aren't going to hop in the sack with you on the third date.

It seems to me that these red pillers - the ones that still want anything to do with women - want nice, porn-star beautiful girls who have a low body count, but are willing to pay for dinner and hop in the sack on the first date and have no expectations.

Look, I'm not judging. I love sex. It's just that I love my future much, much more. I don't grasp what these guys are looking for. You're not going to get easy sex with no commitment from a good girl. There are no good girls who have big fake tits and will let you do anal on the first date. Good girls with a low body count are saving themselves for a future with a house and kids, not for your 21st birthday party.

Oh, and I'm not looking for anyone to explain to me how all women are thieves, or 304s. I want to understand what these guys are really looking for that isn't a massive logical contradiction.

[Hanrej]

Ok, so this is my take on "the red pill" movement and it's a lot more complicated than many people make it out to be.

The title "red pill" is derived from the matrix movie. In the movie the main character Neo is presented an opportunity to chose the blue pill, that allows him to go back to his comfortable yet uninformed life with a feeling that something is hidden from him and oblivious to the truth of his world. Kind of like "ignorance is bliss". OR... He chose the red pill, all truths will be revealed to him, he'll see how he and his people is being taken advantage of but there's no return and life from then on becomes a very real struggle.

Similarly the "red pill" movement is trying to inform men in particular that they're being taken advantage of. This isn't just speaking about their relationships with women and how double standards hold men back financially or how a lot of expectations exists for men that they simply can't back out of even as the same expectations don't really apply to others and also about how these double standards are actually prelevant in laws, family courts, workplaces, socioeconomic structures etc.

To sum it up "red pill" is pretty much making men aware of just how fucked they are as a group in society that's very happy to use men but never be of use to men.

[SugarSugarplum]

This does not answer my question.

[Hanrej]

It actually does. Or rather not your questions but the title of this thread. You asked to have ot explained, I explained it.

[SugarSugarplum]

I asked for an explanation of what red pill guys are expecting/hoping for, not what the red pill is. Because it seems like they want "good+smokin' hot girls" to sleep with them for little or no commitment.

[Hanrej]

Well, it seems you've grasped it very well actually. Red pill guys know relationships offer only sex, if that, but demands EVERYTHING else put of them so of course they don't want to commit.

[Hanrej]

Out of them*

[236color]

I think red pill guys are expecting/wanting the myth of the 1950s "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle, which never really existed. But Rightwing politics has convinced them has been taken from them. It's also in response to women becoming more explicit about a very cynical, mercenary attitude towards men.

[Billlewis]

Damn... Hanrej tells it like it is and doesn't mince words. Well said, Sir

[Anonymous]

I don't consider myself a red pill guy, but I certainly understand where they are coming from. Not all women are as these guys suggest they are, but let's face it, many/most actually are.

It's impossible to deny the fact that marriage is a bad deal for men these days. Half of marriages end in divorce, 80% of them are filed by women, and it's no secret that men get screwed in divorce court and child custody. Add to that the facts that marriage in general offers men far fewer benefits than it did our fathers and grandfathers, and sex, which has always been a motivator for men to get married, is now just as easily available casually outside of marriage, and it's not hard to see why marriage has lost its luster for today's men. That leaves casual dating if a man wants women in his life, and dating is a disaster these days. Thus, red pill is an increasingly popular option.

The red pill movement is about men saying they've had enough with the status quo. The rules of the game have changed, and men are no longer willing to play the game because the deck is stacked against them. Until the rules change and the rewards of playing the game justify the risks and costs men face, guys are choosing to opt out and play a different game. That's red pill in a nutshell.

[Curmudgeon]

I'm a little late to this, but I will explain it to you. The Red Pill movement (a term derived from "The Matrix" series of movies) is also known as the Manosphere, and it is a response to the horrid ideology of Gender Marxism, also known as "3rd Wave Feminism", that has taken over academia, the government bureaucracy, most of the media, and society in general in the Western World (North America and Western Europe). This 3rd Wave and culturally Marxist movement dishonestly asserts that the evil Patriarchy is out to get them, when in reality they are an evil Leftist Matriarchy out to get hapless men. They also carp about "toxic masculinity", which in reality means ANY masculinity no matter how benign, and they treat men and boys as if they are defective women and girls and they wish to extort or put down men in general.

The Red Pill is also an understanding that in the current Western World, the risks and hazards of marriage (and relationships in general) for men have risen sharply, while the benefits and rewards to men from marriage (and relationships in general) have fallen sharply.

The best documentary on this is by Cassie Jaye. She initially was an indoctrinated woman predisposed to be hostile to The Red Pill and The Manosphere, but she gave them a fair hearing and conceded that the men had reasonable points.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Q7MkSpJk5tM

And for this, she was pounced upon the the shrill Gender Marxist and other Leftist harpies:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/J0titJV8No4

She observed there were essentially three different factions of this movement, depending upon the ages and socioeconomic backgrounds of the men involved. To sum them up:

1. Men's Rights Activists (MRAs). These men tend to be older, tend to have had children, and often have been victimized by a Family Law system that allows false sexual assault and child molestation charges by vindictive ex-wives against their ex-husbands, even when there is not a shred of evidence and it is clear to anyone with half a brain and a shred of honesty that the women in question are lying. The men here have also often have been subject to a financial extortion in divorce courts by ex wives, often by women who acknowledge that their ex-husbands were neither cruel nor abusive, but the women felt unfulfilled and simply wanted to "make a new start" or "go find themselves", taking at least half and often more of their husband's estate in the process. The MRAs want to make changes to Family Law as it currently stands, and they want parental custody laws based upon actual parental merit rather than a default in favor of the mother (no matter how clearly dysfunctional she is), and a reform of alimony and child support laws to address the actual situations of the individuals involved, rather than a default presumption against men that is, more often than not, neither true, nor fair, nor in the best interests of the unlucky children involved. To sum them up in one sentence, they want to reform or push back against the 3rd Wave Feminist Legal System and Culture.

2. Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). These men tend to be younger men, who have observed the older people in group 1 above, or who have observed what their Fathers, Uncles, older brothers, or friends have gone through, and they have chosen not to get involved in marriage or even many relationships, other than perhaps the occasional hook-up or seeking out escorts or other legalized quasi prostitution once in a while for release. The "What Happens In Las Vegas, Stays In Las Vegas" slogan that the tourist board of that city adopted in recent decades might have had these men in mind. Some of the shrill 3rd Wave Leftist Womyn have called them "Men Sent Their Own Way" to impugn them, but regardless of who is right, these men are opting out. To sum them up in one sentence, they want to escape, dodge, or otherwise avoid the 3rd Wave Feminist Legal System and Culture.

3. Pick Up Artists (PUAs). Some have also called these people "neo-masculine men". These men have looked at the current society and have decided that they can "game" it to their advantage. To sum them up in one sentence, they want to "game" and take advantage of the 3rd Wave Feminist Legal System and Culture.

Here is another former blogger who has summed up the three movements well, although I honestly think he was terribly wrong and foolish about how great the Pick Up Artists and "Neo-masculine Men" were/are.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dd6FiRHcfCo

My analogy for the situation: 3rd wave Femi (commu) nism is a toxic pollution.
MRA's: Put on Hazmat suits and try to clean up and neutralize the toxic mess. MGTOW's: Evacuate from the toxic mess.
PUAs: frolic and play in the toxic mess because they think it will give them superpowers like comic book heroes.

[CrazyGirl2]

I’m sorry this needed 3 posts to reply. But it contains a lot of info I believe you will like.
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I agree with you that a LOT of women want it all, a “good” husband to work his ass of, pay the bills, and give her children, money a house, and security, but when she goes to the gym and succeeds in loosing that “baby-weight”, she also wants a chad with a gym-rat body, who can fvck for hours! They are not only deluded, they are narcissistic whores!

As for your description of the MRA, a fully agree! I have actually lobbied several legislators and Gov. De Santis, to implement a more equal, more just family court system, that is fair to men. Well last year, in June to be precise Gov De Santis signed a law that immediately made it so that father's automatically get their children HALF the time, PERIOD! So they have JUST as much power, influence, and control over their children, physically and legally as the mother does! There is no more “every other weekend, and one Wednesday evening every alternate week" There is no more presumption that the mother is the best custodian of the children! In fact, the law completely removes the term “custody” from divorce law completely! The law also makes it much more difficult for one of the mother's to move more than 50 miles away and take the children away from their father! also whoever moves, is responsible fro any additional costs in exchanging the children! No parent can move without a hearing on WHY it is in the child's best interest. (And a better job is not in the best interest of the child. Under this law, a new higher, paying job, would be considered in the best interest of the parent. NOT the child!

[CrazyGirl2]

Definitely, I believe the third way of feminism is a cancer on our society and should be eradicated like the disease it is! I do believe the first wave and second wave, feminism were necessary. women had a right to the vote, and we deserved equal pay! But now we have equal pay, and we have the vote… We have all rights that men do. There is NOTHING that a man can do that woman cannot legally do. Nothing is standing in our color and third wave feminism was not needed!

likewise even though I was raped every weekday afternoon by my uncle for 3 ½ months, and I’ve dedicated my life to helping the survivors of rape and incest, I do not, nor have I ever #BelievedAllWomen. Mostly because I am a woman, and I know we ALL lie sometimes! I believe we should #BelieveAllEvidence! That was what got him convicted, not ME saying that it happened FFS!
I also believe that if it is proved beyond all reasonable doubt that a woman made a false accusation, that she should serve EXACTLY the same amount of time the man would have been sentenced to, if he HAD have been convicted because of her lie!

[CrazyGirl2]

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However… I believe these MGTOW and Red Pill guys are generally toxic! In MY personal experience, they believe the are entitled to, and deserve to fvck the most beautiful women, BUT they expect those women to be virgins, of at least have a body count of 1 or 2 MAX! And they expect that this incredibly beautiful highly educated woman must do everything he commands, including sharing her husband/boyfriend with other women, because he's an “ALPHA MALE”, not a so called “Beta Cuck”! (which is ridiculous because “beta” does not mean lowest, it quite literally means second-in-charge. In dog packs there Will be an alpha male, and a beta male. The beta male is in charge of keeping ALL of the other dogs in the pack in line. So the very verbiage is nonsense! Also… Nobody will ever find a beautiful virgin (or low body count, girl) who will have sex with you on the first date! There is a reason they're still a virgin!.

I hope the information I gave you about Florida's new changes to family law (which I lobbied for.) please you, and will serve as a template for every other state! Here is a link to some information about that new law.: mendozalawpa.com/.../

I hope I help in someway.
Sincerely, Laura 🤗 🥰

[Curmudgeon]

@CrazyGirl2 You have, thank you!

[CrazyGirl2]

You are most welcome. Thank you for the very polite reply, you are far more agreeable than your @Curmudgeon username would suggest… well then again, I’m most definitely NOT “crazy” so I guess Shakespeare was right, What’s in a name? Thanks again, sweetie.

Laura.

[CalmUntilAbused]

You're mixing up a few quite distinctively different communities here. The Red Pill movement is perfectly fine with interactions with women. Those who don't want anything to do with women anymore would be the MGTOW. While most MGTOW could be mistaken for the Red Pill movement participants because they don't exactly blame women for what's happening in "modern" Western societies, only distancing themselves from women to avoid the highly likely worst-case scenario that would ruin their lives as their main goal is to make the "modern" Western societies collapse, not to ignore or hurt women, their distinction from the Red Pill is still quite significant.

As for those who might wish for "porn-star beautiful" girls with low body count, that might be the PUA. It's still unlikely, as the very core belief of the PUA is that any girl can be picked up if You know how to do it, so as long as a PUA understands that he's not the only one with that ability, he should not expext girls he's attracted to to have a low body count. However, some rookie, still hopelessly romantic adepts of the PUA might actually believe they can be the first ones to reach out to a commonly attractive virgin.

As for the Red Pill movement participants, they are totally willing to enter relationships with women. They simply want these relationships to be based on understanding, and a much deeper one that the one that would be required from a PUA for him to score some ONS. It would also help if said undestanding was mutual. The core belief of the Red Pill is that for a relationship to be long-term and successful, the nature of the relationships between men and women must be first thoroughly understood by both parties involved. Only in this case can both parties make a conscious effort to uphold the relationship. The problem is, such a well-planned approach does not sit well with most girls, so it might seem that either the Red Pill movement participants reject girls en masse or the girls are rejecting them in bulk. The Red Pill movement participants don't really care, though. They attempt to maximize their attractiveness using a careful analysis of available and trustworthy data on female preferences, but they both reject girl and face rejections from girls with a deeply calm attitude, as they realize that they don't have enough time to try and work on obviously failed attempts at a relationship. That's also why they can be perceived as cold, distant, and in some cases hostile, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Then, there's the Black Pill movement and the far less uniform group called "incels", who in general take the most pessimistic conclusions of the Red Pill knowledge database and build their worldview on them. However, I firmly believe even those belonging to the relatively small, hostile subset of "incels" could be healed if they were to make contact with girls who would actually be kind to them. At least a decisive majority of them only became the way they are as a result of getting repeatedly hurt by the society, and by girls in particular. Genuine kindness should usually be enough to make them at least fall back to the positions of the Red Pill movement.

Summing up, the Red Pill movement aims to enable stable, long-term relationships based on deep mutual understanding. Anything other than this purely rational mindset is not Red Pill.

[Arteguy2020]

Red pill guys I associate with Trump and going back to the “alpha male” attitude of dominating women. What they want out of women is they want virtue and the traditional way of gender roles. Man goes to work, woman stays home and cooks and cleans and fixes her man’s plate and brings it to him. Like the whole Dom/Sub. They also don’t subscribe to the act of cheating on their woman; but I believe on the low low they reserve the right to find a baddie to fulfill all their sexual desires they can’t express to their woman because she’s too pious, too virtuous. So in a nutshell they are looking for obedience from their woman. High conservative values. Nothing progressive. I could be wrong but that’s my observations of it. It’s kind of pathetic really because the leaders of this “movement” (lol) have really sold it to men out there particularly young men, that they need to be ALPHA and STOIC. And they make big hauls of money from these misguided men who believe they are “BETA” males and with the Alphas help for 299.99 you too can be the coveted ALPHA MALE!

its a crock to me simple because a man is not gonna be the “ALPHA MALE” in every and all groups of men. For example; you’re not gonna see an Gym bro who pumps iron all day and watches sports in his man cave scratching his peanuts 🥜 go into an Cosplay Gamer group of guys playing World of Warcraft and dressing up in costumes of their favorite Marvel characters be the Alpha Male and dominate that group. In fact they will clash. And vice versa. The Redpill men are really hung up on that Alpha male cave man BS. It’s the center of their philosophy. But alphas and betas work like that in any group. Even for women there are alphas and betas. Equality doesn’t exist for these blowhards though even though in history people have always fought for equality to some degree. King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. That was for equality and to break down the status and rank structure. The Redpill men miss the point of many, many left leaning ideologies.

[JakeShepard95]

Not a "Red Pill" guy by any stretch, but one thing I believe many women who frequently talk about this subject tend to overestimate is the extent to which lonely guys are actually being choosy beggars.

Like, yea, most incels have gross attitudes about women owing them sex, and they disproportionately desire the attention of (to use the crude scale I don't like but everyone immediately understands) "10/10" beauties, but they don't conversely, magically, just have any number of "X<5" women who are otherwise interested and receptive to being their partner, but which the red-piller was just "too shallow to give a chance to."

If that woman does exist, he doesn't know about her. She hasn't approached him about it. She's got to live her life completely free of the expectation that she be the one to risk humiliation and rejection in order to find a partner who sees her value as a person.

Because she can be reasonably sure that, as a woman, she will be approached with romantic intent (even when she doesn't want it, to the point of getting its own name, catcalling) whereas any man who would like a comparable level of attention and validation in their attractiveness as men, from women, can go fuck themselves.

[Crazyced]

The base premise of the Red Pill was to remedy the cognitive dissonance between what men were being told since childhood about what girls and women were attracted to vs what they actually respond positively to.

It sound silly because there is no equivalent for women, but imagine if girls were told all their lives that the only thing men focus on is homely women that are good with children and that's the best, or even only way to attract a decent mate. Not only that, any mention that they seem to prefer hourglass shape is shut down as outlier, to the point of assuming that if some men go for such women they must have 'low self-esteem'.

[Crazyced]

To expand a little more, in the fictional scenario, the reality is that men will only truly appreciated the homely and child friendly attitude of a woman as a potential partner if he initially appreciated her other more basic attribute. Such as her physical shape.

Men were sold that women want guys that treat them nicely. Sounds simple enough. But no one told men that in order for women to appreciate that nice attitude as a potential partner, that men would need to have more basic attribute that women are attracted to. For some reason, mainstream doesn't feel comfortable in dissecting and being honest about what those are. Maybe it feels if they give men the key then they could manipulate women into relationships. But that's just silly, no one considers the countless hours of prep time women do as manipulation.

[ADFSDF1996]

It’s a movement for men who are sick and tired of being treated like crap by society. It’s not anti female as all those pinkos like to say. It’s simply a movement that focuses on men’s issues.

It’s a noble cause unlike all those far leftist movements like the feminist movement which only wants to subjugate males.

[msc545]

A lot of guys are just looking for sex. Those same guys have already learned by example that marriage is a losing proposition for men and have no hope of ever having a decent marriage or even a decent relationship for that matter. What you are seeing essentially is that a little sex is better than no sex and a complete mistrust in the idea that there are any good girls.

[patois]

It's hilarious that you think you're a prize because you're claiming to not be a cum dumpster, but then you list what you are looking for which is security (financial), home (a house), hearth (furniture), and family (kids). You didn't even mention any characteristics of a man, just what you'd get in a divorce. That's the biggest issue that came out of the red pill movement. It was about unfair divorce laws and child custody laws.

[NathanDavis]

not me.. never cared, nor needed to care for such nonsense

[Billlewis]

Yeah, but that's mostly because you're too appealing to have to concern yourself with the possibility of failure or rejection, because you don't experience it very often, I suspect. Am I right, Sir?

[NathanDavis]

@Billlewis truth be told, I've never been rejected Billy

but also, I've never had to "ask someone to be with me"

either I've been approached by them being interested and intrigued already... or I've approached the ones I've made interested and intrigued

[Billlewis]

Oh my goodness.. thst is unbelievably exciting... on the other hand, I'm not particularly surprised, either. You are absolutely magnificent, Sir. Thank, you for taking the time to demonstrate what perfection looks like.

[NathanDavis]

@Billlewis quite far from perfect... but genuine, yes

[Billlewis]

It really doesn't matter whether you're 100% perfect or not, if you're closer to perfection than 95% of men, because you're still more appealing and desirable than practically anyone else.

[Amandanator]

Men don’t like seeing the usual small percentage of men getting all the attention from women. However the bottom line is all it takes is one woman to be a partner. Most men who want a relationship will get one at some point and then all these redpill/blackpill echo chamber arguments disappear into the void.

[Sharkstealth]

I hate fake anything. The women you speak of are only after sex also. Chances are most of them of both sexes will marry somewhat early because that's how our country has changed. This is the result of equal rights for all.

[Sharkstealth]

The women are looking for the most experienced at sex and the biggest dicks. The guys are looking for the best pussy and experience. We are the country of porn now because that's what women want.

[MrFrenchFry]

It has to do with numbers. Those gym bros are getting 90npercent of women and 90 percent of men don't want to be with fat chicks. Mist women reproduce while less then half of men reproduce. Does this make sense now?

[PA19062024]

No, I can't explain it to you, because I don't understand it either. It seems to be some kind of "movement" for losers from what I can gather.

[exitseven]

I think the red pill thing comes from the movie The Matrix. I really have to set some time aside to watch it

[Dargil]

It's embracing objective reality and not embracing fantasy.