Who considers this truth, and who considers it bull-larky?

[YesterdaysChild]

Most definitely true

Utter bullshit

Are there any real men left in this world?

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[wolfcat87]

I agree that high value men fit all of this except for two things. Men deserve to be cared for in return for being this perfect.

There's nothing wrong with wanting others to care for you as long as you doing the same in return.

Second, not all men want children, and that's fine. It's only gross if they decide to have children and don't go above and beyond for them or flat out abandon them.

The others on the list are low quality men than women should be actively avoiding. The contrast is the main thing to look out for.

High quality men like this do exist, and they are pretty easy to find if you know how to look.

[Hawkes_Lady]

Yes, all of this is true. That being said boys have to learn how to do all of those things that are listed here and can't just be expected to know how to do them. Same as girls who have to learn to be responsible to become a woman. Girls just tend to mature faster than boys (not all, but most).

[NathanDavis]

growing up is a thing... sure, but I don't think this is the right approach

as a boy, and young adult I did a lot of the '"man thing to do" I was a bit more mature than the average and since earlier as well... and yet, I made a few mistakes, as a man...

didn't keep on with them though... that's just growing up, lol

[YesterdaysChild]

Name me one person who has never made a mistake - or many. But, that's how we learn.

[NathanDavis]

pretty much every newborn that was born today, seconds, minutes ago?

but, I don't know all of their names...

[YesterdaysChild]

That is evened out by the number that never had that chance to make a mistake.

[NathanDavis]

"the only people who have never failed... are those who have never tried"

-Some Old Dude That Didn't Like Coffee

[RavVid]

It is very accurate. I didn't realize how much change we make from our youth. A lot of this applies to women too as they mature. Maybe not building houses.

A lot of this stems from working so I think there is probably arrested development in people who haven't worked.

[RavVid]

A second thought is, the 24% who think it is bullshit are in the early 20's

[YesterdaysChild]

Would explain a lot of the answers. 😏😅

[RavVid]

It does. There is more arrested development with more college study

[Avicenna]

LOL, most men don't want to raise someone else's kid (s). That is just plain stupid.

[Daniela1982]

@Avicenna So you wouldn't marry a hot single mother who has a couple kids then I take it.

[aceleon]

@Daniela1982 of course he wouldn't want a marry her, her being hot doesn't make her a wife material.

[Daniela1982]

@aceleon Wow!

[Avicenna]

@Daniela1982: He's 100% correct. I would not date such a person- here's why:

-She is a financial sinkhole because she has kids already and kids are expensive, plus being hot she expects men to spend lots of money on her
-Raising someone else's kids is a fool's errand that gets you nowhere
-I want to have kids with her, not deal with someone's else kids and her having kids already makes it very unlikely that she wants more or would have the time to invest in raising more

[Avicenna]

Furthermore, she is very likely to be an opportunist who is constantly looking for someone "better" (meaning someone who will spend more money on her and her kids). Such a person isn't worth anyone's time, let alone their money.

[Daniela1982]

😯💲💲💰💰😜

[YesterdaysChild]

@Avicenna You are making a lot of speculations about women. While there are some like you suggest, there are a lot more that are not like that. Maybe the ones that are were dumped for the very reasons you list.

[Avicenna]

I was "speculating" about a specific type of person in a specific scenario, not all women. And the woman in the specific scenario is most likely as I describe.

[LazerBean]

Raising another man's child does not also mean being in a relationship with that childs mother or father. I've known several men and their wives who have been more of a father and mother to someone else's child than that childs own parents. So yes, I do believe that is true.

[aceleon]

raising an adopted kid is another thing, raising a woman's kids who has another father is another thing. one is a good deed, the other borders on cuckoldry.

[LazerBean]

I didn't say anything about adoption. But you do realize that raising an adopted child is literally raising a woman's kid who has another father, right?

[aceleon]

do you know those people? do you have a relationship with that woman? is that woman a part of your life? no, raising a kid is different a woman making you raise her kids she did with another guy another thing, i can expect you to understand since you are not a men.

[LazerBean]

Did you even read my comment? I specifically said that raising another man's child does not specifically mean doing so because you are having sex with that child's mother. The fact that you seem to think that the only time a person can care about a child is if they are having sex with that child's mother speaks of what an immature degenerate you are. But I cannot expect you to ever see that, since you probably never had a father around much to teach you morals. Don't know what you're going on about with me knowing a woman, but I have known couples who took a child in and raised him into adulthood after that child showed up on their doorstep because both of his parents were doing drugs at home and didn't give a shit about what he did with himself. But of course your small, inferior genetic brain isn't able to even consider a situation like that in terms of raising a child, because all you can think of is sex. Promiscuous, bastard children like you are why the world is such garbage.

[aceleon]

you are making an awful amount of asumption girl, i'm not talking about tooking kids under your wings i'm talking about getting together with a single mother, i care about childrens more than you can imagine i'mnot against raising the kid i'm against settling for someone elses sloppy seconds i could still take the child with me if his mother is willing it's not the kid i don't want it is the woman who made a kid with another guy (s) it seems you misunderstood what i'm trying to say and attacking me.

[sawno]

I agree with most of that yes, except for the men earn respect by knowing how to give it part. To me a man earns respect by being respectable, like them leading the way and people following in their path. Them being really good at a skill, them having established themselves, etc.

[sawno]

Also on marriage, that one I will also allow to be long term commitment in general. Because men know that marriage is often not in their interest and thats society's fault not the man's fault. If he knows he will get massively screwed over if she decides to leave its fine if he does not wish to marry. As long as he is as loyal as he would have been if he did.

[Curmudgeon]

"A man will raise his and someone else's" - sorry, that's wish fulfillment by women who have made too many mistakes in the past.

[Avicenna]

Or they want to push the kids' father (s) out of their lives and bring in some cuck sap to take the father (s)' place.

[BourbonAndBacon]

That's very accurate. A lot of that is learned through experience and wanting to be a better person.

[Andres77]

Getting older and maturing are not the same thing

[YesterdaysChild]

I don't think age is the factor with this question. More like fortitude.

[NathanDavis]

truest truth...

[Andres77]

you caN BE 50 YEARS OLD AND STILL ACT LIKE AN IDIOT 16 YR OLD.
fortition
fortitude is only present in mature unselfish people.

[love_conquers_lust]

Why must the terms “someone else’s” be buried almost right in the middle of that paragraph?

We have to determine whether this is a girl who doesn’t yet know what a real woman is, let alone a man.

[aceleon]

then i will stay as a boy happily ifbeing a men means being a willing servant.

[YesterdaysChild]

No one is making you do anything. Do you want a balloon with that Happy Meal?

[aceleon]

no thanks what you call manhood here hasenough empty air in it i don't need extras.
no seriously if thisis what people call manhood i feel so sad for them if they think it is about how much you can provide, only person a man should provide anything for is his own offspring or his siblings ifthere is no father to do that (and by providing i'm not refering only money.

[Lonen]

it's splitting hairs, most of it is true and some of it isn't, you can nitpick if you want

[Surely]

It seems like the word responsible has been dropped from most dictionaries!

[ThrillSeeker01]

Of course this is true. It's a no-brainer.

[exitseven]

Yes, its all true.

[msc545]

A load of judgmental bullshit.

[YesterdaysChild]

That is a matter of opinion or course.

[BLP11520]

I could say so much here 🤨

[NathanDavis]

let's hear it...

[YesterdaysChild]

What is holding you back?

[BLP11520]

Well men nowadays are weak and selfish babies

[NathanDavis]

why did you have to raise such weak and selfish babymen?

[BLP11520]

I worked 80 hours a week when my wife was pregnant with our 2nd child

[NathanDavis]

ah ok... absent father can be a way to neglect, yes...

[BLP11520]

I worked sick and injured many times

[NathanDavis]

I really hope you're not on painkillers today... those are evil nowadays

[BLP11520]

@NathanDavis I have roughed it out after being hit by a car and falling of a 15 ft ladder

[NathanDavis]

right... but the thing is, why or how did your generation ended up with such inadequate offspring... that you guys disapprove much of

[BLP11520]

@NathanDavis don’t know I have been to busy being a workaholic

[NathanDavis]

lmao...

[NathanDavis]

" I leave for just 40 years... and look at this goddamned mess"

[BLP11520]

@NathanDavis yeah 😂

[HouseMoat]

Bunch of b. s.

[riverrat3]

Spot on