Why do men seem to hate women now?

[Anonymous]

I’ve noticed men seem to be so hateful towards women and bitter about dating recently. It’s like anything a woman says is wrong and rooted in some type of scheme against men when none of it’s that deep. Men hate approaching now which just plain hinders dating as a whole considering even with women approaching that’s only half of the dating pool participating in a two way activity.

Men feel stifled somehow fundamentally not sure why and seem to blame women who have no correlation to that or whatever system they’re mad at. If you look at men in good relationships across the board the only think you’ll only they have in common isn’t looks, money, or status its the fact they don’t engage in this type of brain dead internet jargon, they’re oblivious to the online dating cesspool of angry men and actually like women.

[Lynx122]

We don't hate women. But we live in a very gyno centric society in the west. Anybody can do whatever they want. There's no rules or accountability. Everything is about feelings and you can't say anything to upset other people. Those are all things women want. Men like systems order and structure. But everything bad is still blamed on the patriarchy.

I don't think there's even a real understanding what the issues are that men don't like about this society. Like the way taxes who are still paid more than half by men are used. And because there's nobody really adressing that they turn to right wing partys who just want to lower taxes all together but that mostly benefits very rich people so the working man doesn't have anybody speaking for him. But he will still vote for someone right wing just because they don't see a different option.

Personally I'm quite left wing economically but I still see a bunch of issues with feminism and sexual liberation that are causing issues in society. Both men and women are more single and being isolated more because of modern dating. And that will cause less investment in society as a whole because people have less to lose if they had a family they would fight to keep things going for their children but if they don't they will feel like starting from scratch might be a better option.

Men just get silenced and shamed in public discourse and so a lot of them just keep their mouths shut but they still have views and priorities that just get ignored by everyone and that can easily lead to more extremism. Usually men are actually on board with womens priorities at the start but then women keep pushing and pushing and at some point men start disagreeing and just check out.

Feminism never wants to become irrelevant so they have to keep finding issues to fight over. Even though most women in the west no longer see themselves as feminists it's still very widespread in the media and culture. So men still feel like it's everywhere. And in dating a lot of men who want long term relationships get seen as boring and unattractive. A lot has been flipped upside down and men are just not big fans of this way of living. Some guys are having a great time but the majority of men are disillusioned. Men used to have a lot less of a clue about what women wanted in dating it was just mysterious. But now with the internet and modern dating and every woman making her views public on tik tok. Men know a lot more of the games women play and all the lies they tell and the copes they tell themselves.

And it's not very appealing.

It's a very complex topic but mostly it comes down to men being ignored and taken advantage of in different ways.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Men are mad specifically at the fact woman seem to think none of this is that deep.

Everyone has their own version and perspective on this but my frustration in dating today is that nobody cares about anything other than their immediate comfort.

I want kids, a family and I want them to be successful. I had a very traumatic life, my parents had difficult lives and I see it as my responsibility as a child of god, the son of my parents, a member of humanity and my country to be as successful as possible in every way that matters to me.

If you think it’s cool to just go through life with no purpose, no sense of duty towards anything other than yourself and having fatherless kids, you represent everything that is wrong with this world right now and the people who are unwilling to get better quite frankly are a disease of leaches.

Men are primarily raised to see woman as fitting into one of two categories, selfless to people they love and virtuous, or selfish hoes trying to take shortcuts through life.

the part where most guys agree on is that even though we all have different things we care about. Most men are willing to compromise for the woman, and they do what she wants only it never works. EVER 😂

I used to be more low key about this topic but I’ve had sex with kinda a lot of women at this point in my life and I see the truth in these kinds of posts all the time.

there was a point when a woman did something bad to me and I became jaded for a short time. Someone suggested a book and I was lucky it helped me get the right way again. So I have a pretty good understanding of where these people are coming from.

And it’s not like other normal men aren’t sick of this too.

Women don’t realize how much harm is caused to society when they don’t adhere to a family unit. It totally fucks up everything. At least the guy who left knows he’s a deadbeat.

[Anonymous]

You're just blaming one side and not recognizing the part the other side plays in it.

There is a lot of hostility between the sexes these days, and there is blame on both sides. By just pointing your finger at one side, you are just playing your part in the very problem you're complaining about here. Be better.

[CrabCakes11]

They’re being influenced by grifters and pathetic men who don’t have success with women. These people with can’t stand to see normal happy men or want to wring money out of them.

[Asker]

It’s really such a shame because it only makes them feel more hopeless. So many ways to meet women and get dates when you're healthy and happy individually but they won't know that because they're trapped feeling sorry for themselves or mad.

[CrabCakes11]

I know, it’s pretty sad. Plenty of normal, non misogynistic men fall down these rabbit holes because they have social anxiety and trouble talking to women and turn into nasty, women hating creeps who blame their personal problem on “the whores and sluts”

[ManOnFire]

A lot of guys tend to feel negative about women and dating because of the way many women are today. I can't always agree with them especially with all that RedPill stuff, but I can understand them.

Women today want men to feel powerless about having relationships, being attractive, or even having sex. They want men to feel like their chances at having success with women are very low or supposed to be very difficult, and want men to feel like we are at women's mercy for sex and dating. So women walk around behaving as if they are in high demand and that guys shouldn't be trying to talk to them. Which has lead a lot of guys to have the feelings they do nowadays, and then the women are now complaining about how terrible men are for those feelings, even though that is what they wanted.

[Summeroflove]

But not all women are like that. Most of those women repulse their kind of men they are striving for, all the while being stuck with losers

[ManOnFire]

@Summeroflove Absolutely true, but it's still enough women out there who are like that. Even more so with how social media controls women's minds and makes them think they can walk around like socialites who don't speak to anyone while everyone else is supposed to be worthy of getting the chance to speak to them. This is why a lot of guys don't try anymore, but women are too proud to change because they are so full of Ego. In their minds, changing equals "giving in" to men, which is what they feel they never can or should do.

[Summeroflove]

It’s like there are so many women who hate men. A lot of people are losers who repel anyone decent of the opposite sex. So they hate all the other sex because of romantic frustration.

Absolutely people are looking for different things. That doesn’t make either person bad. I respect someone more whose honest about what they’re looking for, then someone who lies about it. Because when people are honest they can find who they want.

But if people choose to be sexist pigs. No halfway decent woman or man will want them.

Also. Someone isn’t bad for not meeting your romantic standards. You’re not romantically witn everyone of the opposite sex. Plenty of women I would never be with but I like them as human beings.

[OlderAndWiser]

Boys that don't do well dating tend to get angry and blame women. . . very loudly. Guys that understand dating are content to let those guys scream and complain while we are chasing after the women.

[Inbox]

Sounds like a Feminist

[OlderAndWiser]

@Inbox No one who knows me would ever call me a feminist. I just take responsibility for myself and don't blame women for everything that happens to me.

[Inbox]

I’m not call you a feminist good sir. I’m saying the people you are describing in your opinion are equivalents to whiny feminists

[OlderAndWiser]

@Inbox Okay. Got it! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Summeroflove]

But. They feel as if they are entitled to a relationship. They feel for some reason they are romantically involved with all women.

All they do is chase away any decent women who would give hkm a chance.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Summeroflove When someone is always blaming others for all that happens, it is difficult to navigate a relationship. A problem arises and they don't want to address it because they think it's your fault, not theirs. Combine that with some measure of hostility and I understand why women want to stay clear of such a guy.

[NamerOfStars]

Your question answers itself. "... even with women approaching that’s only half of the dating pool participating in a two way activity", but that's exactly how it was when only men were doing the approaching. "Men feel stifled somehow fundamentally not sure why... " because simple well-intentioned romantic approaches can lead to massive backlash, if a vengeful or just status-seeking woman decides to socially retaliate, turning an innocent man into a pariah because she was in a bad mood. "If you look at men in good relationships across the board the only think you’ll only they have in common isn’t looks, money, or status its the fact they don’t engage in this type of brain dead internet jargon..." and here is the root of it all: men's legitimate grievances are ignored; mocked outright and decried as "misogyny". They take an honest look, and conclude the only winning move is to not play, so they opt out. But even THAT isn't good enough, and so we get questions like this.

Society, and in this case, you, doesn't understand why men refuse to participate in a system that demands peak performance from them, and yet is set up to hold them down- and you don't stop to question why. Are you, personally, hateful towards men? Probably not intentionally; you're just feeling legitimate frustration, and expressing it poorly. But you're doing exactly what you're accusing these men of doing, and STILL not examining the reasons they make the choices they do.

Social media has flung open the doors to show men how many women- and society at large- truly see us: as strong backs, ATMs, and sperm sources, without any of the "worth" women are seen as inherently having. You wouldn't stand for it, either. But every attempt at making a good-faith renegotiation of the social contract is rebuffed with "women have it worse!", which, even in the rare cases where it was true at one point, hasn't been for longer than anyone involved in the discussion has been alive. This could be countered with enough people openly opposing the narrative, but if you find it unbalancing to even bother romantically approaching a guy, you're certainly not going to be willing to face the enormous social opprobrium that comes with standing up for strangers you'll never even MEET.

So these men disengage- not just from dating, usually, but from engaging in much social interaction at all. It's not healthy, but they feel- not without reason- that it's the best option they have. But we're not solitary animals, and crave social interaction. So they congregate online, and conversation inevitably turns to women, with whom they choose to have as little to do as possible. And in the way of all echo chambers, the rhetoric gets stronger, and eventually more hostile.

The smug satisfaction of looking down on those you see as your inferiors is rewarding, I'm sure, but if you don't start treating men as human, things are only going to keep getting worse.

[blueonblack22]

Very well said. But i have noticed a minority of women who “get it” now. They are seeing more and more women self sabotage themselves and like adolescent keep trying to blame anyone else besides themselves for their bad decisions.

But it’s getting to obvious right that the problem is in the mirror for these women. Many are still in deep denial about it but not all.

[JakeShepard95]

We're currently in a state where more men than ever before are reporting difficulties in finding a partner. Society has been making good progress with tackling and reversing harmful gender norms, and because they tend to hurt women more, they are naturally the focus of the change, but as a consequence of that, it means that positive change we can observe for you outpaces positive change we can feel in our own lives, and it hurts to get caught in those contradictions.

You can tell a guy he isn't "entitled to a woman", you can even convince him of it, but you can't stop him from having emotions, from wanting love in his life, from feeling unwanted when it's missing, from hurting over feeling unwanted, especially when his only way to express that hurt is by expressing thoughts and feelings that will inevitably be written off as "male entitlement" or an "incel manifesto" anyway.

You can see measurable growth in the expansion of beauty standards for women beginning to be perpetuated throughout media and advertising, to the point where it's now (rightfully) considered socially gauche for men to openly judge women for their weight and appearance.

Meanwhile, if you're a man, you're constantly being gaslit about male beauty standards. It's always "men are so stupid for thinking they have to look like an A-list superhero actor to get a girl" when the observable reality for all men in the dating market is that, to the average woman, tall is preferable to short, buff preferable to fat, p*rn size genitals preferable to something small, etc. often expressed explicitly by these women in bios or DMs.

Whether you identify more as a male feminist or as an Internet poisoned misogynist, it still feels genuinely hurtful to you, as an man, see the general attitude of how feminists acknowledge men judging women off of traditional beauty standards as something actively harmful to those women and their sense of self, but when the genders are reversed, women employing the equally shallow and harmful standard of traditional gender norms is merely "a preference."

Me personally? I stopped approaching women with romantic or sexual intent in public because I've been trying to respect the deluge of complaints from women on the Internet and in feminists spaces, whereby any public place that a man has ever hit on a woman is held up as a place where women are "there for something else, and not looking to be bothered by a man." That's why myself and so many other men rely so heavily on dating apps. It's the only place I have unambiguous assurance that a woman is consenting to male attention ~without~ having to approach first to find out, and risk being a bother.

P. S. some of us always hated approaching. Some of us have autism and zero self-confidence and the expectation that it's entirely encumbent on us, as men, to assume the full emotional risk for rejection and humiliation is a raw deal. One we don't see as many women rushing to redress the imbalance of as opposed to, say, the wage gap, or the way ~they~ are made to feel humiliated and rejected because of not adhering to the aforementioned beauty standards.

[blueonblack22]

You got a few legitimate points and yes some men are literally addicted to misogyny. But the original sin is modern feminism and set off a vicious cycle. This was only further escalated by political divide.

Here is some background to consider.

• From an evolutionary standpoint women had to be selfish and pickier then men when it came to mating for survival purposes. Choosing the wrong man who couldn’t sufficiently protect or provide for her and the baby would drastically impact her very livilihood and even her very life. This led to large segments of women competing for the top echelons of men.
• In modern times this pickiness no longer necessary. A woman can survive just fine on her own if she’s willing to put in the effort to. Becoming a mother is almost completely optional. Yet we still have “gold diggers” in the western world. Also women trying to “date up”? Why? Not that they always get away with it, but why do women think they are entitled to man is better of then herself? Well it’s hard to defy thousands of years of evolution through 50 years of so called “gender equality”. That’s why.
• Most men have always had an innate drive to protect women and we sure as hell not all “rapists” like some disgusting feminists claim. If we didn’t have this drive then chivalry would of never come about. But we also supported the 20th amendment to allow women to vote in 1919. Some of us got behind the cultural feminist revolutions in the 60s and 70s.
• Modern feminism (which is really rooted in Marxism) started rearing it’s ugly head in the 90s (you see a lot of male bashing and unrealistic over he top heroines in 90s entertainment) and “college campus” radical feminists started going mainstream during Obama’s second term. They started getting much more aggressive and they were getting jobs at corporations namely big tech and corporations and they brought their bullshit with them to propagate.
• Trump got elected in 2016 and modern feminists used him as the ultimate evil focal as justification to hate all western men. This is when #metoo came along. This when leftist women did all they could to discriminate against conservative men and used politics to really drive the wedge between men and women. The pandemic made it even worse.
• Women started self sabotaging themselves by indulging the first “feeling” that came to their mind about men. It’s “Oprah’s your truth” bullshit. They also got addicted to the sugar high of social media. Also via only fans many of them started looking for the quick buck (men are at fault enabling this too).
• Men get bombarded sexual imaging on social media, dating apps, etc. The good looking ones find it’s easier to get sex (women are encouraged to be promiscuous) but not true love (women can ghost or leave them at any minute). Porn addiction is insane too. Traditional masculinity is being demonized.
• Men get disillusioned. They quit approaching women out of paranoia. They resort to Reddit or websites like this to anonymously ventilate their anger and frustration. They aren’t allowed to say how they really feel in public without losing face. While their anger is justified some of them are becoming addicted to misogyny and hatred. Which in turn only makes them less dateable and attractive to women. The vicious cycle continues.

However I see some hope. There is a growing minority of women who know what’s going on. Men and women are meant to be bonded. In a healthy hetero relationship we improve each other even when it is a challenge and frustrating.

But women are generally valued more then me just for existing. They have this initial advantage in dating and romance. Men are really only valued for agency i. e. what they accomplish in life. When you take away a man’s agency he grows restless, destructive and disillusioned. And this is exactly what modern feminism is doing. But you can’t hurt men without ultimately hurting women.

Bottom line is the only way this gets better if more women call out modern feminism and put an end to the malignant cancer it is for society. It’s harming everybody including women.

[Serkee]

I don't avoid women because I hate them, I do it because I'm afraid of them. I have been ever since I was a little kid. I always tend to assume the best about people and give them the benefit of the doubt, and oh boy do women know how to take advantage of that. They always seem to know just the right ways to hurt me, and gaslight or love bomb me into feeling guilty just for being upset about it.

Forgive the wall of text, but here's an example:

I spent months feeling guilty and hating myself over being ghosted by my ex after living together for half a year. We talked for a while about her leaving for a 6 month FEMA canine search & rescue training program with my dog. And the whole time we were talking about it she was always asking me, sometimes almost begging me not to lose interest in her while she was gone, and telling me she'll come back for every holiday and talk to me whenever she got the opportunity. Well, when the time came, she left a day early with my dog when I was at work without telling me, and she wouldn't answer any of my calls or texts. I was really worried and thought something either happened to her or she just bailed, until about a month later when she texted me, apologizing over and over and telling me her phone was busted and she just then able to get a new one. Like an idiot, I believed her and I felt horribly guilty about even considering that she might ghost me like that. Then she went dark again for another month, giving me pretty much the same spiel, only using lack of service as her excuse. Lots of apologies and I love yous later, even though I was skeptical this time, I only felt more guilty about doubting her. Then she went dark again for another two months. This time she said she was on a mission trip for part of her training, and that they didn't have service down there either. I wouldn't have believed her this time, but she gave me a set date that she'd be coming back and staying for a couple months before going back out again. That day came and went, and I still haven't heard a word from her since. It seems like the whole time we were together she was just using me as a free place to stay, then after that, she was using me as backup to fall back on. And the messed up part is that I still love her, I still can't bring myself to throw out her stuff, and I keep blaming myself for all of it even when I know I shouldn't.

That was my worst and most recent example, but not the only one. And I see similar examples around me pretty often. After all that, my fear of women has just been reinforced and cemented. I know most women aren't like that, but I just can't risk that happening to me again. I wouldn't be able to take it.

[Anonymous]

none of what you've mentioned is remotely true nor is it remotely hate

right is right. wrong is wrong. nothing to do with gender. men can be wrong too and I've poked holes in the arguments of so many men who try to justify feminism to me via equal rights but refusing to accept equal responsibility so it's not a gendered thing or even a personal thing but a logic thing

if a woman thinks 1+1=3 I'm not gonna get on my knees and cheer for that nor will I accept there are more than 2 genders just because they believe it. this isn't hate at all. it's indifference and being logical

also indifference isn't hate. everyone should be allowed to be cautious and trust isn't automatically given nor should it be automatically given, it has to be earned. if you're experiencing "hate" as per your description, then welcome to a man's world where nobody gives a shit about you except what you can offer to someone else

nobody is saying this is women's fault but the deafening silence and overreactions from them when they're quick to leap out at anything they consider to be "misogyny" while allowing misandry to run rampant throughout society into our politics, academia and entertainment is very telling of them. women even tried to justify the man vs bear scenario and those who didn't were awfully silent towards those who were

the women who do call out misandry gets labeled pick-me-girls as a way to shame them back into the hive mind and we're suppose to believe women have "independent thoughts" and aren't a monolith if that is what their intent is

of course, there are weak men who are complicit in this too and they get the brunt of criticism this more than women do, only someone self-centered would have to think otherwise.

and men are engaging in this stuff, just not verbally otherwise they wouldn't be going to the gym, going to work, trying to get promoted etc. or at the very least maintaining a "worthy" lifestyle.

if looks, money, status don't matter, then homeless men would be just as successful as movie stars and pro-athletes in dating. if all homeless men did was "like women" more than movie stars and pro-athletes did, they'd be way more successful in dating. that's just a fantasy obviously and when women try to encourage this delusional fantasy, why do think there's pushback in calling them wrong? because they are wrong and has nothing to do with hate

[Asker]

Hate in my title is obviously an exeragation just like when men say women hate mne but I bet your agree with that and not pluck at the wording there. The manosphere online is promoting them. Also your idea of right doesn't just make it right you are not the end all be all decider of everything. Your feelings aren't facts.

1. No one saying you have to agree with or listen to every women
2. Most women don't call everything misogynyy just because you feel they do. Historically things can be rooting in mysogyny and acknowledging that isn't being a regaing feminist its a fact.
3. Man vs bear is a joke and men like you who take it serious is why the dumb small minority who does take it seriously doesn't like men. That's not an example of misandry its an internet fad if men had to deal with the jokes men make around women they'd lose their shit because clearly that one was enough to piss of hoards.
4. No one thinks mysandry is good and no one is promoting hating men. Your biggest means right issues are a result of other means decisions not women. Men are 68% or judges and men are 70% of congress.
5. Pick girls are internet jargon. No one talks like that in real life or takes it seriously.
6. Everyone has to be decently healthy and self sufficient to date. Fat women aren't getting dates same as a fat guy.

[Opinion Owner]

ignoring isn't hate. being hated would actually be good for men. that's how jerks and bad boys can still get action

the manosphere doesn't promote hate, it spreads awareness against the mainstream media and other mainstream beliefs entrenched within society

right is right when there's facts and evidence to prove it. not plausible deniability and being offended by the facts or the wording of the facts

1) and that's what a lot of men are doing. that's not hate
2) the historical misogyny goes hand in hand with historical misandry, doesn't stop society from only telling one half of the story and trying to silence the other
3) I don't take it seriously. I first mentioned this as a shit-test and got backlash from feminists and male feminists alike who were taking it serious and trying to shame men into complying with their own demonization
4) it doesn't matter the gender of those in charge, it's their beliefs and regardless our leaders will always put the wellbeing of women above men whether in wars or a sinking ship. even children are put beneath women the way western society is heading
5) because what people do speaks greater volume than what they say
6) fat women do get dates more than fat men. fat women are protected by the body positivity movement calling them beautiful. fat men are deemed gross, disgusting and lazy and no one is here to protect them. point being it's foolish to give bad advice and expect be thanked for it.

[MisterWack]

Because everything is reactionary now, toxic, and feeding BS to insecure struggling young males without a strong father figure / lack of self confidence taken advantage of by con artists.

Girls fall victim to their own scams hitting them where insecurities are and such. There are boys who fall victim to their own scams.

Alpha Bros, Fox News, And others pushing this “traditional man” type of behavior and it resonates with these young teenage boys and insecure adult men too. It is important to know that this is not because all men are sexist, all men are disgusting, all men are ____. It is the reactionary content that paints women as nurturers making men ‘soyboys’, women secretly want them to be weak for the Feminazi agenda, and wokeness emasculates men making them femboys. It is all ridiculous on the outside however when you are caught in the middle you fall for it.

These guys need emotional support, mental support, therapy to talk it out, reassurance, someone who can be the role model that they truly need, and need to be treated as important to the community because they truly deserve it.

[TheUniqueOne96]

You could easily say the same about women, just look at some of the ones on here.

Literally every standard a man has in a woman leads to him being shamed.

Most of the 'male BS' is simply a response to radical misandry and generalisation of men by some clowns on here and feminazis.

One of the females who's answered this question always talks about how it's 'most men' whenever talking about them.

Another clown had the audacity to write an article telling men how to be masculine and yet gives women a free pass for being sluts and doesn't want to have kids, how feminine.

One female idiot on here asked if most men are sexist and has 99% of her questions used as an attempt to bash men.

Another woman I talked with on here has no problem supporting abortion with no limits, but thinks men should pay up when it comes to divorce even if the woman cheats, because women 'take more risk'. Apparently if women's risks don't pay off, there's no consequences, a common theme amongst women on here at least.

Then there's the 'dating coach' aka female excuse generator who has no problem questioning or calling out men who dare to have any standards on women, but no problem deeming delusional women as valueable to have the most delusional ones, as well as writing essays whining about Tate so much as existing, yet says stupid shit that could be seen as just as toxic.

Before any whiny female calls me some BS names or red pill or whatever, the only reason you probably hate them is because they call out female BS and hold them accountable, instead of making excuses. I'm not traditional either, unlike what they preach.

Remember this too, if Lizzo is a 10, don't get offended when someone says you look like her. 🤣

[Lionman95]

I would say because that´s the way society is evolving to. There have always been guys that get along with women better than other guys. The guys that are in good relationships fall in the later group.
But there is a number of guys that don´t have a good self esteem, they don´t have a good confidence and they have no deeper connections such as friendships to women.
The reason those guys are found online is that they don´t live a life they consider healthy or fulfilling in real life.
So those guys are in real life even if they approached a woman not the kind of guy a woman would want to date. They simply live lifes a woman wouldn´t want to be a part of. It might sound harsh but I don´t believe that a woman wants to date or even marry a guy that she doesn´t consider a "great guy" but boring or creepy.
The problem of guys is that some have it hader to understand women and what they want while some don´t have the discipline to figure that out. Those that do quickly or after sometime enter a good relationships while those that don´t go down the rabbit hole of the internet.

[LordMadara]

Tesla was right about women 🙄

[Lionman95]

What do you mean?

[HawkPerception]

The gender war is justified. MANY women (not all) nowadays are entitled, spoiled, egotistical, illogical, materialistic, feminazis that have zero accountability.

Feminism BACK WHEN IT BEGAN started as a good thing with good intentions. Now women have equal rights and equal pay. You could even argue that in the west, women have MORE rights than men and their word has more power in court.

Modern feminists/feminazis are no longer fighting for equality. It makes no sense that women have equal pay, but still expect a man to approach them, pay the bill on a date, be chivalrous, buy them flowers, plan dates... even in relationships where the man is making all the money, some women even expect him to come home and help out with the cooking and cleaning.

This is not equality... far from it. That is what men are saying nowadays and we're not being heard. Women are using the term "feminism" to take advantage of more than what they should.

And to top it off, they're saying they're strong independent women that don't need men. And even though they say they want men to approach them, they reject the majority of men that try to and sometimes even very rudely.

Hoeflation is real

[Anonymous]

A couple of years ago Andrew Yang published an op ed in the Washington Post titled "The data are clear: the boys are not all right". In it he outlined how men and boys are struggling in many ways, failing in school, committing suicide in record numbers (including an epidemic of middle-aged male suicide), dropping out of the workforce... the list is long. Yang suggested society needs to recognize the problem and actually try to do something about it.

There were thousands of comments in response to his article, and most of the female responses were absolutely hateful. Nothing but misandry. It was crystal clear how women feel about helping men and boys. We've seen over the last few decades how society responds to women's issues. And now we are seeing how society, and specifically women, respond to men's issues, and it ugly. Women as a group clearly have no empathy or compassion for men as a group.

Take off your matriarchal lenses, open your eyes and see the bias against men in modern western society. It's so obvious if you put aside you biases and look at things objectively. Men are angry, and rightly so, and the fact that most women don't see it and do absolutely nothing to speak out against it is the biggest problem. That's why men are angry at women. Your question here, and your responses to many of the posts, show you are part of the problem. Yes, men are angry at women, and they deserve to be.

[HawkPerception]

Brother, why post anonymously? I'd give you a follow. This was well said 👏🏼

[Opinion Owner]

@HawkPerception Thanks brother. I appreciate it. I always post anonymously these days because the shit I get, mostly from females (and the many females posing as males here) for posting opinions like this one just isn't worth it. I don't follow people, and I don't want to be followed. I just want to share my thoughts and read others.

[HawkPerception]

Fair enough man. I respect it.

[tzdc21]

Well I'm not a woman hater, but a lot of men are bitter due to decades of women hating them just for existing, shaming them for their preferences, making society a toxic place for many men and big caring about men's issues at all. And sometimes they let their bitter feelings lash out and get the better of them, which is wrong in their part. But it's incredibly justifiable why they are angry and frustrated. Everyday the world finds a new way to demonize us, in news, movies, games, sports, etc. It is hard to deal with.

[Asker]

Women don’t hate men. Most normal women like men like normal men like women. The internet sells a lie women hate men because its makes men mad. Women who hate men are in a loud minority and the men they hate are men that hate women / misogynists not just men existing. I'd also like to point out men control the news, men control the movie industry, men control the gaming industry, and sports. Men are demonizing other men, not women.

[tzdc21]

Not to be disrespectful, but I strongly disagree. Women are the ones spreading more hatred towards men then ever before because we live in a gynocentric society that spews hatred towards men. Everyday there's some new way to indicate this. Hell just a few months ago a woman claimed that a man was trying to show his superiority to women just because when it was cold she was wearing a jacket and he was dressed in a tank top. Saying it's "part of the corrupted misogynistic world we must endure." They'll look for ANY excuse to trash us. And it happens so much in movies and television series that most become numb to it, where they just shame, insult or trash guys. It's pathetic. It's RIDICULOUS. And it's not a minority either. While it may not be all women, which I am very thankful for, it's enough to where you're able to see someone new come up with some sort of hate message towards men. And one other thing about men controlling the news, every time a man, or woman, opens up about the struggles of men due to society, or calls out society for its double standards, they get cancelled out. You advocate for men, you're a poison and must be extinguished, all while the toxic misandry still goes around unchecked and promoted. You even see girls going into gyms and setting cameras up to try to paint random guys who are just there for a workout in a bad light, and more guys are hesitant to go to gyms now as a result. Guys aren't controlling that demonizing stuff to go out, it's women.

[tzdc21]

You're probably not aware of most of this because the world never shines light on men's issues like they do for women's issues. That's a whole different conversation though

[Asker]

Seriously go outside, if women hated men dating wouldn't exist. No one would be in a relationship or getting married. People g et into relationships and get married every day. I am a woman. I know women don't hate men. You can't know better than a woman that women hate men. That's like me trying to tell you
about what men like. You feel women hate men because you see cherry-picked scenarios online and in the news that meant to be upsetting and shocking. The same way you feel women hate men is how speaking men like you and men in this thread with insane ideas about women preferences and plots to destroy mens lives makes me think men hate women. you are cherry picking random scenes about weird women in tank tops and gym influencers. Only thing I can give you here is that men’s advocates don't tend to do well on tv. Usually because they are biggoted, not saying men’s advocacy is biggotted but I’d like to challenge you to find a mens advocate that also doesn’t hate women. Even if you do from the amount that have said hateful things about women or even hateful things on other non women related issues, its not marketable. However that's not a fault of women that's a fault of your means advocacy leaders being shit people and giving you bad rep which is not something people outside of your movement can fix. Women seriously do not have enough power in non internet media to control whether means issues get air time its purely companies run by wealthy men who want to show what makes the most money.

[tzdc21]

First off, I already acknowledged that it's not all women who hate men, but I said it was enough to make it a major problem in society today. And I have been outside and I have seen many scenarios, which is why I can confidently say that society is full of misandry. Now not everyone has these viewpoints, true. But to sweep it under the rug and belittle it is one of the major problems we deal with today, thinking our problems are not as serious as they actually are. And I have to disagree with you on the Internet thing because women have SO much power on the Internet and in real life that she can easily destroy a man's life with a snap of her fingers. She could easily say that he's a r@pist or he SA her or some other derogatory language without any proof and people will automatically believe her because she is a woman. And those scenarios I suggested earlier that were as you put it "cherry picked" were only a few of MANY examples of this BS behavior. It's not powerful men in powerful companies making that happen at all, like you try to insist it is. And there are multiple men's advocates that do not hate women. MANY in fact. But society paints them as haters of women when all they're doing is silencing those who speak up for the other sex. As I said before, if you consider yourself to be a fan of men, you are a disease that must be extinguished. You will get cancelled immediately, that's why they're not doing good on TV or YouTube, not because they're all bigoted, but simply because they sympathize with men. They get threats everyday threatening to cancel because of the content they make. Meanwhile, the misandry still goes on all over th place and nobody checks them on it. And it's not wealthy men who are behind all of this stuff. At some point the accountability has to go right back onto the women. Now I personally don't think all women hate men. There are many who love men out there.

[tzdc21]

But I don't see as much of them speaking up against the misandry as opposed to the women who promote misandry. I don't see them speaking up against the make suicide rate, which is higher than women's, I don't see them speaking up out the normal misandry going on in the media, I don't see them speaking up against paternity fraud, circumcision, the lack of men's metal health places, or just the lack of appreciation guys have nowadays. They hardly ever speak up for us, and that's disappointing.

[meepmeeperton]

Men and women both get toxic crap pushed to them on social media designed to upset them so they engage with it. Both sexes think there’s a new “man hating” or “woman hating” epidemic, but I don’t think there really is.

[Asker]

This is probably the most accurate opinion on this thread. Great job 👍

[Crazyced]

Online really works hard to divide us all. The interaction I have with women in real life bares no resemblance to what is being portrayed.

That being said, technology, social media and dating apps have really created a not so welcoming environment for the average man and if some of those studies and surveys are to be believed, it's no wonder a lot of men are checking out:

-Women find most men physically unattractive

-Women get bored much more easily in a relationship

-If they find someone with 80% of what they are looking for, women feel like they are settling, men think it's a catch (actual survey)

-Women initiate divorce 80 to 90% of the time.

-And the real killer, 70% of women in relationships claim to have what they consider a 'backup plan'

So you tell me, how stoked would you be to have a man that feel he's settling for you, finds you unattractive, you have to entertain AND has a side chick waiting for him to get bored of you.

[Anonymous]

There's MeToo, most guys with a brain will just do whatever it takes to avoid the life long prison sentences and the firing squad

Whatever it takes is not approaching women, I run a business and I won't even have one on one meeting with women because I'm not that suicidal

Dating needs you to be at the very bare minimum
Hung like a horse (6" plus)
Earning six figures
Muscle bound (six pack)

666 so it's entrenched by the satanic clutches of liberalism indoctrination from the moment children particularly girls enter the schooling system

Only upside to all this is that it should help with chronic overpopulation but looks likely to result in the utopian liberal ideal of wiping out the white population because that will secure their dictatorial empire for the bit of time humanity will have left

[Asker]

No women is requiring 3 sixes. I try so hard to take you incels seriously but difficult when your arguments are this dumb. Look outside at people in relationships. Those men aren't millionaires with huge cocks and muscles. They're normal people. Ask the average woman if she's dating a millionaire with abs then ask her how many men she's dated. Unless of course you're taking about bombshell women who obviously take their pick but, that's what you guys are always really upset about that the “average” woman won't talk to you when you really only want beautiful women when you're average yourself and treat women poorly.

Women like men and men like women. All you need to get a date is to treat women like people and socialize, it’s not rocket science.

[Opinion Owner]

Im not an incel
Incels are rapists in waiting

Look at other people in relationships is stalking another MeToo statute violation punishable by firing squad
Talk to a woman that's a life sentence for yet another MeToo statute violation

Average I wish, I'm sub-human only reason I've not been killed is the fact I am still useful

I don't date, love is a heart disease for the weak and feeble minded
I don't have the inclination to be a breeder and yet I can't find a doctor willing to castrate me
I mean with my fucked up genetics, it would be a crime against humanity for me to perpetuate that nasty rotten corrupted DNA

I'm too much bitter self-hatred to socialize with

This was from a poem I saw once and sums it up aptly
When I say hi, I get shut down
When I'm outside, I get stressed out
When I got people around I'm anxious
Nobody likes me, what the fuck now?

[Asker]

Get therapy, you can live a good life. You are wallowing in self hatred. Don't waste your life feeling sorry you're not attractive. Unattractive people do cool shit everyday but they couldn't do do that cool shit of they were sitting around pitying themselves.

[Opinion Owner]

Therapy costs more that I earn

I'd probably end myself but I hate myself too much to do that kindness so the hatred is beneficial

I don't feel sorry I'm unattractive I just accepted it and moved on, I've got more important matters to attend to like eeking out a survival

[genericname85]

because women have no regard for what men want and still expect men to cater to what they want. they don't show any empathy and despite litterally already having more rights in front of the law, they aren't even satisfied yet and want even more rights.

that's the sort of aggressive entitlement that drives men away. hate it all you want but men like submissive, nurturing women. not aggressive, insufferable, entitled brats. so as long as women are the latter, men aren't gonna want them. it is what it is.

[SotiCoto]

This stinks of another personal issue you had with someone specific which you're now framing as "Why do men?" You're taking specifics and generalising them until they become nonsense. Men don't "hate women now"... or at least most don't. Some do, but you'll have to track them down personally and not pepper every Y chromosome out there with your generalisations.
Heck, maybe that is why a few men do hate women... if some women do what you did there, and those men also generalised it.

[normalice]

Right wing misinformation targeting young guys to tell them the reason they aren't getting laid is because women are awful people. This, of course, causes them continue not to get laid so they will want to to come back to whoever told them that so they can keep hearing it, thus feeding the cycle.

Addiction, in so many words.