I think they're doing whatever is best for themselves.
In my opinion, it seems like there's a real possibility that the Western society is collapsing and women (especially white women) are afraid that men could leave them behind.
I think they're doing whatever is best for themselves.
In my opinion, it seems like there's a real possibility that the Western society is collapsing and women (especially white women) are afraid that men could leave them behind.
Well, when you've got Diane Downs, Susan Smith, Casey Anthony, etc... and that demographic CONSTANTLY espouses what "victims" they are, after breaking their kids neck, shooting them, drowning them in a lake and blaming a phantom guy of another race-and the media goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to make sure their word is taken as gold while this same demographic tells US to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY... W... T... F... do you expect? Let me tell you about a special case. Tucker Reed. Because based on her entire background, she fits EXACTLY what a lot of girls in the U. S. now are. From a well off family, went to USC. Accused a random student of rape. Provided zero details. Zero evidence. Zero witnesses, video, no rape test kit, nothing. The case was REJECTED by the prosecutor, the the LAPD AND A PI. HOWEVER... she was lauded for her "courage" by a national feminist organization, invited to WASHINGTON DC TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF VICTIMS. Then wrote columns for Cosmopolitan! 3 years later, after she had to leave USC-she lost a defamation lawsuit in that fake rape case-she went back home to Oregon and was CONVICTED OF KILLING HER UNCLE. Think it ends there? But wait, there's more! Then she was convicted of smuggling heroin into jail! And she managed all of this by age 21. She's featured on an episode of Snapped. THIS is why I avoid U. S. females. The whole "oh, they're a victim, they're precious little lambs, believe them at all costs, all men are pigs and rapist, etc"... they've gotten what they wanted. There's a counterbalance to it. This is it. And no, I'm not a "passport bro"... though my brother is a West Point grad and is married to a South Korean woman. Has 3 grown daughters, 1 of whom is in law school at George Washington in DC. I understand the reasoning behind guys being passport bros though.
Tucker Reed was only sentenced to 6 years and 3 months for murdering her uncle. Disgusting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Reed
Right, and THAT is the worst part. Before she's even 30, she'll be free to go sit at bistros and carm 20 something unsuspecting tech startups up guys or artists into thinking she's a dainty young lady just looking for a "nice guy." Look at the look in her face in her photo. You can SEE how hateful she is. And there are a LOT of women out there in that age group now in the U. S., total snakes, just like her. That's what people don't get... when a guy plays relationship games and is a playboy... her feelings get messed with. The Tucker Reed's of the country (and there are many, such as the other women I mentioned) KILL PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY. That's NOT similar. Whoever at the bistro is chatting with innocent Tucker in 5 years... his assets? Will be the LEAST of his worries. There's another female who posted a few months back to national traveler's group I belong to. Well off twenty something blonde, not unlike Tucker. Wanted to go to Rocky Mountain National Park for the first time, but in asking for advice, it had NOTHING to do with hiking! She kept staying how she has a taser, and will keep it at the ready, on guard for any "creeps," and wants to be able to get to it quickly, but doesn't want to appear totally standoffish, though she will be suspicious of any guys hiking. THIS is what guys options are dating wise coming out of Universities now?👀👀I'm a betting guy, and I told my partner when I saw it, "10-1 at $20, she's from out West, went to a public U, and is from a well off area." Looked up her profile. From South Lake Tahoe, CA, went to school at University of Colorado in Boulder. Bam!💯👍What's worse, is that these WHORDES of venomous snakes are operating with full media backing and legal impunity now, so men in the U. S. don't have any choice but to avoid them entirely and seek elsewhere.
I married a foreigner before this movement became a public thing and the amount of jealous looks my wife and I get from American women when we are in the US says a lot. Not to mention women I had previously asked out and was rejected by when I was younger were trying to message me asking if I wanted to go on a date or actively flirting with me (wife said they were and I don't doubt it) was astounding. Not to mention many were pissed that I didn't marry one of them. I know because my wife received some hate from these sub par street urchins. Feminine women are superior in every way and a lot of western modern women are denying there femininity to try and be more masculine and work and get that money when men don't care. We want a woman to love and be loved by. A woman that puts us first and accepts us for our imperfections and doesn't waste our time or money. And doesn't make us for like less than for being tired after 10 hours of hard work.
If an American man falls in love with a woman who lives outside the United States and he wants to date or even marry her, then it's fine. I see no problem.
However, travelling overseas with the purpose of finding women because American women are "bad", it's a problem in my opinion. There are millions of women in the US, so I'm sure they can still find an American woman to date or marry. How come they're rejecting women from their own country? I don't get it!
It's not that White-American women are bad. The culture in our country is, and women are just a reflection of that. I fully support the passport bro movement, but I always remind the guys not to bring American culture and values to other countries. It didn't work in our country, it won't work in other countries.
Lots of western men feel this was @menina. Especially guys living in far left cities and states. Modern feminism has definitely had a negative impact on how women view and treat their male counterparts here.
That’s not to say this all western women of course. Plenty of (lucky) guys find decent women and settle down with them.
But statistically single hood has skyrocketed for men in the USA especially for the younger categories. www.reddit.com/.../?rdt=56871
Now some bachelors who have the means and motivation will travel abroad given they are usually treated better then at home. I’ve traveled abroad myself and it’s true. Most foreign women treat American men better then American women. And it’s not always about money and green cards either. Culturally women abroad are raised to respect men.
@blueonblack22 I live in a western country and most men here date or marry local women. But again, this is just where I live. It might be different in the United States.
Although I support feminism, I do agree that some aspects of it are unnecessary. So, I can imagine what you mean.
I didn't know about single hood in the US.
" I’ve traveled abroad myself and it’s true." - That's interesting. May I ask you where did you go? I'm just curious.
"And it’s not always about money and green cards either." - Exactly, but it seems that usually Americans think it's all because of money and a green card.
@menina I see you are from Angola. If you spent an extended amount of time in the United States particularly in the leftist dominated regions you would understand what I am talking about. You live in a region of the world were feminism is much more needed and justified.
But in the western countries feminism is NOT about “equality” in 2024. It’s about disrespecting, disenfranchising and blaming men for problems that more often then due to bad personal decision making by the female. Either that the female has daddy issues or a bad past experience from an unrelated man and now she wants to blame ALL men as revenge (unless they echo her misandrist attitudes).
The thing is no amount of men complaining (justified or not) is going to change these women. They are actually making themselves miserable but they are too brainwashed and egotistical to admit it. So some men (I’d they have the means) are looking elsewhere.
It really all comes down to RESPECT. It’s not about sex or romantic entitlement. Western men are sick of being disrespected by western women particularly when it comes to romantic endeavors.
@blueonblack22 Yes, I am from Angola but I don't live in my country. That's why I said that I live in a western country. However, I agree with you that feminism is needed in my country. Unfortunately most Angolan women don't see that.
I understand what you're saying about feminism in the United States. If it's like that, then I must admit that it's bad. That's not what feminism should be about.
@menina I theorize (no offense) that women are naturally more selfish for self preservation purposes. There was a time in history (and still today in some cultures) were women had to use emotional/sexual manipulation and selfishness to protect themselves and their offspring. Women naturally wired to be this way subconsciously. The often don’t realize if.
Unfortunately a lot of women haven’t evolved out this behavior despite it being extremely unfair, counter productive and self sabotaging in modern western countries. They don’t respect men out of general principle. They only respect men if they have something to offer (he’s good looking, has money, can “protect” them, etc.). But if he has nothing to offer (via her subjective judgment) he’s either invisible or expendable.
That’s a generalization I admit. But it’s an evolutionary unchecked advantage women have over men particularly when it comes to romance. They can be much more brutal. And we can’t expect women to magically evolve out of this given feminism has only been around for 50 years.
And yet these modern women are making themselves miserable. That’s not the man’s fault.
@blueonblack22 No offense taken. Well, I've never thought about what you said but it makes sense.
@menina it’s like how women “shit test” men. That’s biological. It’s about “testing” their mate to make sure he’s suitable.
There was a time in history this was necessary. But it’s not anymore but women in western countries keep doing it. You can’t reverse thousands of years of evolution with 50 years of socially constructed “gender equality”.
@blueonblack22 I think I know what you mean. It's sad.
@blueonblack22 No problem. Hope you're having better experiences with women.
Oh to answer your earlier question @menina I spent three months in Thailand back when I was in my mid 20s. I did NOT just go out there just for women. I went out there to study Muay Thai and to go on an adventure.
Now I was in my prime looks at the time. 6ft, blonde and athletic. I was swarmed on by women in some places. It was flattering at first but very annoying at times. I remember one girl in particular was VERY aggressive.
So I got to see how “hot girls” feel with tons do attention (wanted or not). Not always a good thing. But the benefits far outweighed the drawbacks.
I did end up dating a local girl who worked at the Mauy Thai training camp for the last 6 weeks of my trip. Not a prostitute. She wasn’t dating me for money or a green card. She introduced herself to me.
But I will say that most women over there almost never gave me the “get lost creep” look when I just said hello to them. Even if they weren’t interested they didn’t automatically assume the worst about me for just saying hello. And even back in my physically best looking days I recall multiple western women giving me an unfair unwarranted shitty judgement if I dared to approach them and they weren’t interested.
To a certain extent I can understand how women need to protect themselves. But large swathes of western women think that being unnecessarily rude to men they aren’t interested in is a sign of a “strong” woman. No it’s not. Is just conceit and disrespect. And it DOES have a negative impact on western men. Especially if the man has several bad experiences.
@blueonblack22 Thank you for answering my question. Being in Thailand must have been an amazing experience. I would like to go there some day.
"To a certain extent I can understand how women need to protect themselves. But large swathes of western women think that being unnecessarily rude to men they aren’t interested in is a sign of a “strong” woman. No it’s not. Is just conceit and disrespect. And it DOES have a negative impact on western men. Especially if the man has several bad experiences." - I absolutely agree with you on this. I suppose they have a lot of men interested in them, so they get arrogant.
@blueonblack22 Oh wow! Then it was tough.
Yeah, I have no doubt that they do, especially because I'm not western either.
Are you asking out of genuine curiosity? Because the only thing I'd be concerned about for guys is the cost and the foreign women who just want your money and a ticket to the US. A guy I know had it happen and it broke his heart, that's why I mention it. She convinced him, and then dumped him. He found her on another site, running the same gig. Just be careful, is all I'd say...
That’s always a risk.
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It’s fine if they’re genuinely going overseas for a different lifestyle. But the way they’re pushing a revenge fantasy narrative like it’s some big loss is pretty funny. No one really cares.
“it’s only people who can’t get what they want in the states who are leaving”
So what?
Am I suppossed to want to date the average American woman? 🙄
@Vegasrunner Well yeah, but why should I want to “elevate” myself just so I can screw a bunch of hoes that have already been used up?
@WhiteBoyChill I'm not making the argument that you should.
Passport bros are cool. They're living their best life by going where they can be celebrated. Life's too short to try to make it with nasty, bitter women. So, I say good for them. The people that don't like them are women that are mad that they are being passed-up due to their nasty attitudes & extreme lack of accountability in relationships.
Nicely said, bro!
Most American women have disgusting morals and only bring drama and stress into a man's life. It makes sense for good men to want someone with more traditional values that isn't promiscuous, disrespectful, fat, lazy, covered with tattoos, and actually sees the relationship as a partnership. Just get a prenuptial agreement the same as you would if you took a huge gamble on an American woman.
I’ve traveled and there is some truth to this. Not to say foreign are perfect. But modern feminism has definitely brought out the worst in western women. And they women are ultimately making themselves miserable because of it.
The women who are complaining about 'Passport Bros' are really bitching about the loss of resources those men represent, and they fail to acknowledge that it is their attitude to men that is driving those men overseas, these men are looking for women who are traditional, not like women in America who have swallowed the 'Boss Babe' narrative by feminists and those on the Political Left.
Excellent input. 💯
@Siri137 No by 'traditional' I mean a true partner not the one-sided offerings that currently exist.
Is it really that much of a shocked pikachu face when men go where ladies have very open arms for them? It's like a siren's song!
Compare these 2. Which will men go for?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gcv4YF1g3bUhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/9TkOqCOsergWaiting for a gay passport bro to find me. 😊😊😊
Good luck, bro! I hope you find someone to be happy with.
yeah... I am neither an Eastern European nor a woman, so a passport bro is the only way for me to escape from this country.🤫🤫🤫
I was born in the wrong country and body to become a mail-order-bride.
I think people should have a right to go anywhere they want and date anyone they want in order to be happy. There is no reason to date American women at this point.
I agree. And the experience of immersing yourself in another culture is a nice bonus, besides, of course, meeting an interesting woman.
I think those guys are idiots.
If you can't find one decent woman within your own community to be much more your own country then you are the one that sucks and getting on a plane to a foreign country won't change that.
Gold diggers and woman looking to get a visa on off you is what you most likely going to find.
Yeah, we should send you to a brothel and tell you to find a decent woman so you could marry her and have kids. And then tell you that you're the problem if you refuse to pick one of the women out there.
It's fine.
Women who get mad at it generally see it as a personal attack on them as a whole.
Some women, especially white women, think they have a monopoly on us.
Western culture does everything in its power to discourage the creation of families and to destroy families that already exist.
I cannot blame men who want to have a family in a culture that isn't so self destructive.
The men who do this aren't wanted by "Western women" for a very good reason, and that's usually because these guys are pathetic, misogynistic losers. Good riddance to them I say! :D
That's what you want to believe because you're a Western supremacist. You think Western women are better than women of other cultures and a man who's choosing them over you is obviously making a bad deal, hence you think those men are "pathetic, misogynistic losers" and "unwanted." You don't want men who do bad deals, right?
So if these were such “losers” then wouldn’t women worldwide reject them @siri137?
@blueonblack22 No, not necessarily, and simply because all of those women who live in those "exotic" places (like Thailand and the Philippines) generally don't know what they're getting themselves into.
@siri137 We see your Western supremacism. Western women think they're the most beautiful, the most cool, the richer, and also the smarter women in the world, so women in other countries are ugly, dumb and the men who choose them are making a bad deal.
Y'all talk about racism, but you're racists on steroids.
@siri137 oh really? So you think you know better than all of them? Have you even been to those countries?
I have and I can tell you right now that their cultures are VERY patriarchal. They like western men because they know will likely treat them much better than their domestic counterparts.
But of course you’re the type that believes the most sexist, patriarchal countries on earth are western countries. Horrible white male dominated “hegemony” right? I mean you are pro Palestine after all and just magically believe that sharia law isn’t an issue or something. Yeah let’s just conveniently believe that many women can be beaten by their husbands in the Middle East and nothing can be done about it.
@blueonblack22 "Oh really?"
Yes, really. :)
According to @Siri137's logic:
Western women = beautiful, smart, empathetic, hardworking, know better and cool.
Non-Western women = poor, ugly, dumb, desperate and clueless.
If having the beliefs you have about non-Western women weren't shameful, you wouldn't need to hide it and pretend that I'm making things up. 😉
@siri137 so I guess “your right” and anybody who disagrees with you is wrong. Gotcha. After all modern feminism ideology are just making so many people happy and fulfilled in life.
If your theory was right then why waste time and energy even posting about this issue? Just let those “losers” leave New Zealand and other western counties. Who cares where they end up right? It’s a non issue for you.
Siri, you basically said that th9se non-Western women are dumb enough to date "pathetic, misogynistic losers" and that they don't know what they're getting.
If your racism were okay, you would be able to be more open about it and you wouldn't need tro try to gaslight me as you're doing.
I'm not crazy, you're just trying to gaslight me, @siri137.
You liar. I did NOT say that! It turns out you really are illiterate. I said that they "generally don't know what they're getting themselves into" when it comes to Western men, and simply because the vast majority of them I would be willing to bet have until that time had no exposure to their antics. Because, you know, they don't live in the West. It stands to reason, does it not?
@blueonblack22 "Your right"? No, it should be YOU'RE, a contraction of "you are".
And I'm not a feminist, by the way, but of course misogynistic assholes like you will just assume that any woman who disagrees with your cave-man mentality must of course, by default, be a feminist.
Am I an illiterate liar for realizing that your racist beliefs are racist?
Girl, you tacitly accused non-Western women of being dumb and clueless, you made the claim that Western women know better than them, and now you're here trying to defend your thinly veiled racist remarks.
Girl, do you need to know where someone was born to decide if they are good or not? How can you claim that non-Western women are clueless if they can spot red flags in a Western man just like they can do when it comes to analyzing the behavior of their countrymen.
You're not only racist, but also extremely narcissistic, @siri137.
@siri137 I used a mobile phone for this so yes I make typos often. But nice try with projection with your grammatical nitpicking and comments such as “misogynistic assholes like you” and “cave-man mentality”. Have I ever hurled those kind of insults at you? Any name calling? Nope. I didn’t have to because I know I have logically pointed out some of your hypocrisies and it’s getting under your skin.
You think guys don’t notice that and think by acting upset you can magically dodge accountability. I’m also having a VERY hard time believing that you aren’t a feminist. Very hard.
But back of to one go my earlier question above that you ignored. Have you ever spent an extended amount of time in a non-western country? I have. I spent 3 months in Thailand (for Muay Thai training) and 6 months in Mexico.
I won’t say Thailand was a paradise. Far from it. But I noticed I could have a conversation with almost any woman over there and they wouldn’t automatically assume the worst about me regardless if they were interested in me or not. They weren’t smirking at men, playing games or being bitchy believing it was a sign of a “strong woman” to disrespect men.
I’m also not letting you off the hook for being pro-Palestine either. It’s funny how you want to label conservative men as “misogynistic” yet don’t have a problem with radical Islam. Do you have any idea what would happen to you if you found yourself suddenly in Gaza? Even if it was at a time of peace? Honestly I would love it if western leftist women could spend a few months in a country under sharia law. They would BEG I mean absolutely beg to come back to their western country that is supposedly “patriarchal” and “oppressive”.
@blueonblack22 "Grammatical nitpicking" - Yet another example of someone who seems to believe that accuracy and precision just aren't important. Well, they ARE.
The misogynistic assholes with the caveman mentality are all those "men" (more like immature boys) who decide to go overseas to places like Thailand to find a wife or girlfriend, and simply because they expect the wife or girlfriend to be their servant or slave, and they believe that women in, for example Asia, are compliant and willing to please. That is a racist stereotype at the very least, and just goes to show how far Western men have become debased and worthless, if they're not even going to accept the (very basic) idea of equality, of treating women with respect as human beings.
I see no issue with it. More power to them. If I wasn't dating someone currently in America, I'd probably go outside of the country myself.
If going to an impoverished to find a woman who only wants you to get out of her country, then that’s their problem
Are you better off than women in those countries? Are you sure, white girl?
Im Afro-Brazilian, but ok lol. Americans are much better off than Brazilians
@crabcakes11 You think like that because Brazil is like the 3rd World from the 3rd World and has become pretty much an appendage to the US since your country stopped creating any kind of original culture decades ago and focused on consuming US stuff.
That's why I thought you were a white girl. You talk like a white girl, you even pulled that "mail bride order," which only proves how boorish you are. Meeting women in other countries is not the same as ordering a commercial service about dating, boor.
by the way, I'd love to see your arrogance your arrogance towards passport bros who are in a relationship with Korean, Japanese or European women, women who make in a month the same amount you do in a year because, i don't know if you know, but women work all around the world.
Lol. Why so mad? Americans don’t want you? That would make sense, because no woman in any part of the world wants you.
@crabcakes11 You're not even American, but talk like the most basic white girl we could find on Starbucks.
I'm just telling you, white girl wannabe, women in South Korea make in a month the same amount of money you make in a year. You don't know that because you never left your favela and all you do is imitate the white women you see on the internet.
Lol I live in the United States buddy. I have dual citizenship. My moo was the mail order bride, did you forgot I also have a father, stupid?
Sorry white girls don’t want you, lol. Try being less pathetic next time
@crabcakes11, Funny thing is, you're actually the incel here. You came from an impoverished background. You're an extremist since you're too much into politics, it's no secret that no one likes people like you. You don't accept yourself and would like to be a person of another race and imitate their traits.
Who do you think you're fooling, femcel? 🤣🤣🤣
Lol ok. If thinking that makes you feel better, go ahead
It doesn't matter what I think or not.
Facts are facts:
#1 You're poor.
#2 You're an extremist.
#3 You hate yourself.
#4 You don't accept yourself.
#5 You want to be a white girl.
#6 You are a kind of person who nobody likes.
Lol ok.
Good. It's pointless for you to keep trying to deny that you're a walking failure with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Go take care of yourself and better luck in your shitty life.
Lol ok
If travelling looking for a LTR it's a little weird. If travel with a group of bros with same intentions it's even weirder.
I'm sure people could find a lot of weird things in your attitudes as well.
Of course! No offense meant I just never travelled with that as an explicit intent.
Good for them. The only people mad are women who have overvalued their pussies.
No thought beyond being some of that good high karat gold back
The labour's cheap and it's relatively commercial stuff
Oh! It’s another name for mail order brides. Funny how labels change but not much else….
Do you even know what mail bride services are? Hint: it's not about going somewhere and meeting women in parties or through friends. You're boorish af.
You're racist af and dumb enough not to realize it.
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