I'm asking those ones who are opposed to legalizing homosexual relationships and sex on why they think homosexuality is wrong and why it's unnatural. I wants to hear none-religious arguments too, not only religious.
Another question: If homosexuality is a problem because people can't reproduce, is it wrong for heterosexual couples and single people to not have children either? Is sterile heterosexual couples bad too? What's worst between a child abuser and someone who don't want children?
Please READ the description. I'm not against gay relationships or marriage. I just wants to hear WHY people are against it and which arguments they've. I also wants to hear SECULAR & Scientific arguments.
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I wants to hear SECULAR & SCIENTIFIC arguments too, NOT only religious. Only a few have attempted argument scientifically. Most of you've not answered my question. Please no name calling. Keep the debate mature and civil.
I am not saying that it does not exist in nature, but it exist because of the deformation in the genes, homosexuality is a congenital disease.
If dumb politically correct peope here (especially my fellow females) have read biology books or took biology classes they would know that organisms must reproduce to survive and not to go extinct.
Look at the human anatomy, man and woman are just like a puzzle, they exist for each other. Its impossible for a male-male and female-female intercourse to result in a child.
Look at the nature, a male lion wouldn't breed with another male lion. And the fact that there are only a few species that have tendency to be homosexual does not change that it is unnatural.
If you look at the Western World you will see that why people shouldn't tolerate this bs.
I will drop a couple of pictures here and you will see; (I cannot see anything normal or acceptable in them)
The picture you posted are drag queens, drag kings and transgender people. They just likes to cross dress or want to change their sex. Homosexual people don't want to do that and usually looks like normal people. It's possible to look normal and be different.
The flamboyant and mascho you sees on TV is there for entertainment. Stereotypes are funny and entertaining, therefor there are a lot of them in movies and TV-shows. You can't see if someone are pedophile or not either. Both gays, bisexuals, pedophiles, schizophrenic etc. looks normal.
Is not getting children wrong too if it's a heterosexual couple who don't want some or if they're sterile?
There's a difference between saying something is unnatural; than being moralistically against it or saying it should not be tolerated. That's an important distinction between, maybe to generalise, the Western world and the Muslim world, and what shines through in your answer. People should be free to do what they want *within* reason, providing the wider harms are taken into consideration (which they never are). What's worse. Sodomy, or some religious cunt telling people what to do and imposing their will through the sword (incidentally, not to reduce homosexuality to sodomy - it was just to illustrate my point)?
Also, human beings are animals in a certain sense, but also, so much more than that.
Also, it's quite a dodgy strategy to discredit by drawing equivalence between homosexuality and paedophilia.
@Levin, I wanted to make more people join the debate and want LGBT-skeptics to participate. I don't think it's the same and I don't think it's wrong with same-sex relationships.
Some do, but not everyone. It's usually the people who stands out you notice more easily. People who looks like everyone else and aren't gay can't be spotted as easily. Especially not if you don't know about their gayness.
You still didn't answer my question: If homosexuality is a problem because people can't reproduce, is it wrong for heterosexual couples and single people to not have children either? Is sterile heterosexual couples bad too? What's worst between a child abuser and someone who don't want children?
Nope, it is not wrong, because it is normal If a woman is attracted to a man or vice versa, that does not require having children. However there must be something wrong in the genes If someone is sexually attracted to people from same sex, read carefully, I didn't say that it does not exist.
So should homosexual relationships be banned and punishable by law then in your opinion, or should it only be discouraged without any law involvement then?
Why is it a big deal if a minority (probably not more than 2%) are homosexuals if we've enough people on earth and the human race won't end?
No, punishing them like in Syria or executing them like in Gulf states is absolutely barbaric. Yes, homosexuality might not be natural, but it shouldn't be a crime. However, I think they must be fined If they encourage people to become gay. They should start acting like normal people contributing society rather than devoting most of their life span to scream thay gay people exist and they want rights. If they do this I will respect them although I am not really fond of them.
Okay, I'd like to correct you on somethings you said. First of all, homosexuality is natural. Animals do engage in homosexual behavior. I mean even look on National Geographic. Animals like lions, monkeys, penguin, etc. all have been known to engage in homosexual behavior. The only thing that hasn't been observed in nature is the shaming of homosexuality.
Secondly, EVEN IF homosexuality is not natural, it does not imply it is wrong. This is an appeal to nature fallacy. In that case, modern medicine isn't natural so it is also bad. [By the way, before I progress more, I want to clarify that something that isn't moral does not mean it's immoral.]
By the way, if you said that humans must reproduce because it's what we ought to do, then according to that logic, you should be against single people. Nobody should be allowed to be single. And while we're at it, anyone who is able to have kids cannot marry someone who is unable to have kids. And if we are going further, couples should focus on procreation to have as many kids as possible. You see how this starts getting ridiculous?
Another thing is that in order for one to say whether something is moral or immoral, it has to be a conscious choice and it has to affect others. Firstly, homosexuality isn't a choice. If it were, you would think homosexuals would become straight to conform. Secondly, homosexuality doesn't affect others. Has homosexuality caused them to rape someone? I mean homosexual rapist do exist, but so do straight rapist. The fact that someone is homosexual has nothing to do with rape. Or really any other crime. They don't make you watch them have sex, or force you to join, etc. So since homosexuality is not a conscious choice nor is it affecting others. So it is neither moral or immoral.
Just one point. You say that humanity will go extinct if gay people exist because they can’t reproduce. But actually the problem we are facing is overpopulation so being gay is actually a good thing and can be seen as control of population. So yeah, not a valid point you’ve got there.
@Levin homosexuality and pedophilia is the same exact kind of mental illness there is really no difference other than one is legal and one is not but both should be illegal it is wrong and unnatural
@BuffaloChickenWrap, there are a difference. Homosexual and heterosexual people are attracted to people the same age as themselves, but homosexuals are attracted to the same sex as themselves and heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite.
Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children or anyone under 18 depending on which type of pedophilia.
So although both are immoral in your eyes, there's still some differences. A judge in the court would find both murdering and theft wrong, but he still knows the difference between them.
@BuffaloChickenWrap, not really. Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are considered personality disorders and mental illnesses, but are still considered different kinds of personality disorders/mental illness - not the same.
So you can see two things as an illness without classify it as the same.
Well, European countries have LGBT tolerance and most of them have a negative birthrate, the positive ones are because of immigrants. I can send you the statistics If you like. And apart from Europe homophobia is really common in most of the World.
Either way they are messed up in the head and when the LGBT adds a P for pedophiles all of the sicknesses will be grouped together the sickos that they are
@LittleBird_, I knows that. To me it's not a big deal if the humanity ends. No more wars between people then.
In ca. 70 countries being in a homosexual relationship is illegal and it's punished with either fines or imprisonment. 10 of them it's death penalty. In Iran you can get hanged and in Saudi Arabia you can get beheaded. Among the ISIS you may be burned or stoned to death. So yes, I'm fully aware most of the world is opposed to it. In Russia it's legal, but still looked down upon.
At least in the Western world there are less poverty and orphans compared to third world countries which are mostly opposed to same sex relationships. Hate, war, gender inequality, poverty etc. may also be common in some places in the world.
It is also legal here in Turkey but LGBT people are mocked due to their preferences and disgusting lifestyle. Plus they are blindly supported by our seperatist party, that makes them double hated. Over 80% of the people here strictly oppose gay marriage. 11% are neutral. Only 9% of my people support gay marriage and I guess their ratio are decreasing.
I do not agree with them killing people over it but I just think pushing it up in our faces is not the way to do it let them do what they want but far far away from the rest of us who don't want to see it problem solved.
@LittleBird_ Here in the USA pretty much anyone who disagrees with same sex marriage is called a Nazi and harassed and so most people including friends of mine agree with it just so they are not hated and it is a lot of bullying and it is wrong.
@BuffaloChickenWrap This! ^^ I completely agree. Killimg them is barbaric but they should not force everyone upon the fact that they are gay. If they act like normal people most of the society will respect them.
Well our socialists are pretty much the same. They will call you ignorant or zealot, but they are zealots themselves. I haven't seen any patriotic or nationalistic LGBT member or supporter, they are all snowflakes.
@Deathraider Very good points, but I think you're wasting your time. She didn't respond sensibly to any of the points I made.
Also, I'm sure most gay people quietly get on with their lives. Do I walk down the streets of Manchester and see a transvestite everywhere I go? No, that's reserved for the special places like down Canal Street/Gay night club :) Saying all gay people like that is like saying all Muslims are terrorists.
What people get up to in their personal lives isn't any of your business. And one major difference between children and gay people, is at least the latter are consenting... I actually do have some sympathy with naysayers, providing they provide some sensible arguments.
But yeah, right, righteous or not, I don't believe that any grande organisation should be policing our personal lives.
Should they be banned and punishable by law? I don't know I am not saying they need to be I am just saying the PC people need to stop their nonsense stop trying to push acceptance on those of us who will never accept it and stop putting all over TV and movies because all it is doing is grossing us out.
Well, I haven't seen any gays that don't shout "I'm gaay" or insult/harass heteros on the internet, I'm disturbed online by homos myself. Plus homosexual people put on abnormal makeup and they dress up in a funny way, they look ridiculous that I cannot help myself from laughing at their dumbness. LGBT girls have moustaches and LGBT boys don't look like real men. As long as they have a disgusting lifestyle like that they deserve to be hated. You can support that stinky movement on your own country and I honestly don't care, but keep it away from mine.
Well you don't hear someone who doesn't speak. You don't know who is on the inside, only how they look.
My point is that walking pass someone, you only really identify them as gay because how they look and speak. But what about the people you pass everyday you don't get to know.
@Deathraider what difference does it make? Maybe some gays conduct themselves in an appropriate manner if you walk by them but it is the movement that is the problem and the straight people who are a part of it is why this agenda has gotten so far. Beta males who want to fit in and want girls to like them is the only kind of male who supports gay rights but there are a lot of them and they act like bitches more than the girls.
If muslims take over Europe. They'll teach gays how to skydive with no parachute just like they do in ISIS states. Liberals don't understand that they will be the first ones killed by muslims and that they're just using them
I haven't read the other comments on this thread but saying homsexuality is wrong is incorrect. Yes, it is true that same sexes cannot reproduce, but it doesn't make it wrong. Homosexuality has become a part of nature because it can literally save lives. For instance, it's very common that penguins can have homosexual relationships if the females die during hunting season. Males pair up together in order to help each other take care of the babies. If the female had died and no one could take care of the infant, it would die, and your argument about reproduction would be invalid. Penguins could not reproduce if homosexuality was not a part of their nature. This is just one of many examples. Homosexuality does not make it possible to reproduce, but not being able to reproduce doesn't make something wrong. Nature made it that way. If homosexuality was not beneficial to the environment, it simply wouldn't exist. Everything that exists, be it highly lethal viruses to toxic fungi, has a significant purpose regardless of what humans make of it.
@ragequeen I have seen you post before and you are a really cool girl and the fact that you are a girl I understand how you find no problem with homosexuality girls are way more accepting and caring than guys are and I am not saying I hate gays or anything like that I just find the act digusting it grosses me out and that is not something I can control you know?
Everybody has an opinion. I respect yours. I just can't accept ignorant people who say homosexuality is wrong because nature made it that way. No, YOU made it that way. If you are against gays, that's fine. Everyone is against something. Just let it remain an opinion and the world will be a better place 😂
@ragequeen I don't think most people hate them or want to see them hurt or anything I just think the PC stuff going on is too much with it like I don't wanna see a gay scene every time I watch Tv but that is what it has turned into.
I heard that homosexuality exists in nature for two reasons. 1. To carry a have- more-sex-gene (and most of the gay men I know are indeed always horny). And 2. To provide a back stop, to support the young. A sort guarantee that there will be some childless elders to take care of youngsters whose parents get killed. I'm not sure if I believe it but I don't take the gay-is-not-natural belief, otherwise why would nature had left it around? I mean logically the gay gene should have died out so nature is keeping it in for some reason.
As I have said, you can support them in your own countries. Since majority of my society is militarist and nationalist, we despise homosexual people. You can call me racist, bigot or homophobe like all the lefties out there, zero fucks given by me.
@LittleBird_ you are definitely not a bigot we are entitled to our views and here in the USA it is a joke for anyone to say you are a bigot for not agreeing with the gay lifestyle because no straight people agreed with it up until some years ago they made it the in thing and people changed their opinion guys I went to high school with who hated gays now support same sex marriage so people like them in other words the whole movement by straight people is a fraud.
Let's make a deal... you send these queers to a Muslim country that leftists support. As someone who lived in a Muslim country I bet they will all be prisoned or beheaded if in a place like saudia Arabia.
I don’t know what goes through ppls heads when they oppose LGBTQ+ people andmareiage. Ignorance I’m guessing. Some, like my dad who hates LGBT have been brought up in that way. My dad grew up in the USSR where homosexuality was illegal and prosecuted so it’s obvious where his opinion comes from. Others think it’s unholy 🤷♀️ Personally i support LGBT people and know how hard it is for them having watched one of my good friends go through coming out as trans which let’s just say didn’t really go in line with his family’s views.
Homosexuality is still illegal in Russia and so is religion and that is 2 reasons why living in Russia must be awesome I would love it the only thing I would not like is the food.
Homosexuality isn’t illegal (I lived there so trust me I know) only showing the LGBT flags. Religion ain’t illegal either. It is true however that most people will not respect your sexuality or gender identity tho.
You can be fined for it that is good enough for me see I do not agree with gay bashing or anything like that I simply want things to be the way they were I believe in tradition I don't need all of this up in my face every time I turn my TV on. They can exist just not anywhere near me.
Right. I really do disagree with you. But I have one question because I’m genuinely interested. Why? Like why are you against gay people? Do you think it’s unnatural or what?
Nah because it’s a reaction not a reason. I said this to someone and now I’ll say this to you. I will always respect your opinion but only as long as it doesn’t disrespect anyone else’s existence. Yours does and I cannot respect or accept that.
Their existence is disrespecting me and countless others who are sickned and grossed out by it if they exist they exist but don't put them all over TV to the point that you can't get a break from it and if you don't like that we hate it too bad I grew up in the real world where it was looked down on and I never had to see it now it is everywhere you are way too young to understand.
No it is not ignorance I am not ignorant to anything think about it this way if you don't like cheese danish you are going to want to avoid cheese danish if looking at it makes you wanna throw up you are totally within your rights to hate it well replace that with gay people and now you know how we feel
I’m not here to argue about politics but to discuss. And this discussion ends here because we both know that we will never agree nor convince one another so this is pointless.
You are 20 years old and in 10 years you will look back on this and think wait I was young I had no idea what I was saying about this issue or thinking.
It’s simple really. This is my opinion and it will not change - I made a conscious choice to respect everyone regardless of their gender identity, sex, religion, collie and I live by this philosophy. If you don’t trust me you can go on google or social media and find millions of people older than you or me who agree with me. And tell me this, how old was Hitler when he lead the Nazi movement? And how old was Malala Yousafzai when she stood up for girls rights? Hitler is older yet he is wrong. Malala was a teen and she won a noble prize for being right.
You think you are right you are not you are judgmental you judge people because they don't want to accept what you are pushing and that is called bullying.
They took marriage which is between a man and a woman and ruined it they were allowed civil unions nobody was stopping them from that but they had to ruin marriage just to make Christians upset. And the whole LGBT movement is bullying they impose their will on everyone and then people who were against it slowly were for it because they were bullied into it and didn't want people to be mean to them.
Christians were upset? Hahaha im a Christian and the truth is Christianity is about loving and accepting so those who got « upset » aren’t true to their religion. Maybe they were upset but meanwhile LGBT people were committing suivi des because they were bullied into pretending to be someone they’re not. They thankfully now have a right to marry and for a true Christian that should bring joy not hurt feelings.
Then you are no Christian if you believe in any of that you can't say you are Christian then go completely against the bible and be for gays and trannies the bible is completely against gays and trannies are like the Satanic Baphomet in human form. Jesus would never let you into heaven unless you abandon these views.
Bible never once says anything against gay or trans people. Love your neighbor - that’s what it says. And if you chose to live by tte Bible then sex before marriage is a sin so I guess y’all going to hell now, huh?
Winning the Nobel's price don't automatically make you right. The guy who invented lobotomy also won it although his invention ended up as a disaster. Barack Obama didn't do anything good or bad because he recently became the president, but he still won the Nobel's price for not doing anything.
The bible is several books written by several human beings from thousands of years ago, so the bible may be flawed and outdated. The bible is violent. Especially the old testament. The bible criticize sodomy and masturbation, but don't mention homosexuality directly.
And yes I agree with your Bible point. Although I am a Christian I hunk that Bible is an unreliable source of information which has been rewritten several times and cannot be trusted.
It is me who determines who I and what I believe, faith is personal and different for everyone even if they are from the same religion. To me it isn’t the literal things like Bible but more abstract things like faith, prayer and love which make me a Christian.
And how might you know what Jesus Christ is cool with? The Bible says nothing against homosexuality and either way i do not trust the Bible. The Bible is not he cornerstone of faith and was not written by Jesus.
Who cares? Let then be happy. Are you really that worried about reproduction? The world's overpopulated as it is. Surrogates aside, homosexual partners are more likely to adopt so, if anything, they're helping the world's overpopulation issue overall.
It is Biblically a sin, period. However, it has to be said that there is a while list of sins in the Bible. In the New Testamoent there is a list of sinful people who will not be in Heaven because of the clinging to sin, and not allowing Jesus to work in their lives. See Galations 5:19,20,21. and Roman's 1:18-32. Please understand that God loves all of us, and does not want anyone to perish. All of us who are endeavoring to follow Jesus are called to love everyone to, at the same time, to guide people to Jesus and that through Him sin can be overcome. Some say that gays are born that way. That is a sad statement, since it puts people in a world of son and they think they are stuck there. It is true that we are all born with a bent to certain sins more than others, the choice to sin or not is ours to make. That being said, any of us endeavoring to follow Jesus, if we find ourselves in the position of hating the person because of where they are stuck in sin in life, we have gotten off track, and need to get back in line with Jesus. Also the devil started his attack on mankind in the garden of Eden on two institutions set up in the garden of Eden: the seventh day Sabbath Saturday and the institution of marriage. The attack on the Sabbath includes but not limited to: saying it is a Jewish thing (Jews were not even in existence until the time if the exodus, by that time it was setup in the garden if Eden, and countless people had observed it. Saying the sabbath was changed in the New Testament. God anticipated this, and Jesus says in one of the four gospels that any change to a will gas to be done whole the testator (referring to Himself), has to be done while the testator is alive. The so called change of the Sanbath was done after Jesus had arisen to Heaven. And the Catholic church admits it was the one that decided to mettle with God's law, and that there is also no scripture support for the change. Then there is the saying it was nailed to the cross. No, it wasn't, the law of ceremonies or the law of sacrifices was nailed to the cross. The moral law remains binding. Then there is the attack on marriage, starting in the garden if Eden, by catching Eve away from Adam, the devil went to work on her to deceive her. Both attacks on the sabbath and the institution of marriage between a man and woman continues. It also has to be said, that God is angry with the decisions to make gay marriage legal, since this totally throws out the institution of marriage between a man and a woman. Remember, God loves us, wants to save us, but He will not take us to Heaven if we refuse His mercies and continue on in sin. Remember also, God hates sin, but loves the sinner, so much so, He sent His only Son to redeem us, if we allow Him to do so. Gid Bless.
I don't care what people do with their life as long they don't harm anyone. I have no problems befriending them and I respect everyone regardless of what they are. In my personal opinion, I just find it disgusting and it is factual that it isn't natural, rather a defect in the DNA. That being said, they can't help themselves to feel that way, so what's left is just to accept it. I don't support nor am I against.
I'm however against those who are over the top, who literally rub it in everyone's faces. It's not only unnecessary but also disturbing.
I didn't not just like but I enjoyed your opinion thoroughly thanks for answering, and now let me laugh a bit. hahaha, yes homosexuality is acquired and not natural, people saying it naturally, are just making an excuse, you don't care as long as they don't harm? well this kind of culture and providing them liberty is wrong and harmful in itself, it will greatly affect population and natural balance on earth and if more and more people get involved in that there could be a potential threat of human extinction, so whenever you let something wrong happen you are letting them harming you because you are connected to it somewhere and soon it will come to you as well, you cannot always escape but you have to fight against it.
Many things are a defect in the DNA. Some disabilities are a defect in the DNA, you going to just “tolerate” and not want them “in your face” too? Do you find disabilities “disgusting” too? Blue eye are also a mutation in the DNA and yet somehow you can look at that. Are blue eyes “disgusting” to you too then? Saying it’s unnatural isn’t an argument.
@_wild_ She obviously didn't mean its DNA, what she meant here whatever could be the reason she maybe not knowing whether its DNA or something, so don't just focus and point on DNA thing, she didn't say that in a literal sense, besides it is not a DNA defect, it's not natural.
@_wild_ I wonder if you are capable of understanding what you read? You're comparing oranges with apples.
I did not mention to find disabilities disgusting. I mentioned that I find homosexuality disgusting. Wrong correlation. It is disgusting to the majority whether you like it or not.
Yes, I said it is in the DNA, what I forgot to mention is that it is likely because of chemical modifications. It is therefore unnatural. Even if you use your own rationality you'll see it's unnatural. A gay couple can neither reproduce nor have intercourse safely without protection (I bet you know about the diseases).
Yes, I have a problem with gay dudes who rub it in my face. I even know gay dudes who get annoyed by that behaviour. I don't want to see a dude walking around with a pink mini short with a glitter jacket acting overly feminine, ew. There are kids walking around. I have a problem with straight sluts too who open their legs at every opportunity.
I would have to say i agree with @lesbianbusinesswoman
I am religious but there are some things that were said along time ago that contradict itself within the book and goes against everything we as people have worked for over time. For instance if we followed every rule of the bible we would still be catering hand and feet to our "husbands".
So my thing is if we're going to say that this is wrong or we're going against god we can't just pick and choose which ones do we prefer to disobey and which ones don't we. (Then again jesus died for our mistakes) All jokes aside I'm just trying to say homosexuality is no more wrong than us saying that it is ans judging them for it because that's not our job either it's gods.
I'm also religious and I don't think we should take books too literally. Not a Christian though, but I've heard that book is several thousand years old and we've to put in consideration that the world change as we makes new discovers. Actually, today it's 7,7 billion people on earth thanks to improved technology within the medical field, so I doubt the population is a problem.
@curiousnorway Precisely, I was thinking that as I read other users opinion. Humans are far from going extinct and if anything we need to get a better latch on reproducing.
I have nothing against gay people, i think noone can choose who they love and who tey are attracted to and its wrong to forbid thing like love where both sides are grown adults as of your question, i think a lot of people find it unnatural cause you are not able to have children meaning doesn't seem like your bodies are compatible for that and in that way naturally intended like how body of a woman and man fit together; and their sex can actually indeed create another life. Its not about having to reproduce but naturally is meant like having the ability to do so. Sure there are cases of how people can be sterile but that is not natural either or the norm.
Most people who are opposed to gay relationships and gay adoption aren't opposed to my mother and father marrying although my mother is sterile. They're not opposed to my sterile mother adopting or my functional father choosing a sterile wife instead of staying with his former fertile girlfriend instead either.
I don't know if it plays a role he got two children with his former fertile girlfriend before marrying his new wife. He was technically married to her too, but the relationship didn't last long. I don't know if it's an excuse.
its different cause they see sterile as malfunctionin you cannot see or know but point is that that is not natural either but that is different cause with gay man its not about your body not working how it should as in sterile situation, its about your natural body doing something "unnatural". Body of the woman and man fit naturally regardless of the fact you're gonna have kids or not, but with men to men or women to men relationship their bodies dont fit naturally when it comes to sex; regardless of the fact that someone can be sterile or not. Further more, people also say men and women have differences beyond physical in which they are what a child need - a man and woman to grow up well, not just a man or 2 man, meaning they find it unnatural not to have female presence. Sure, many people can be bad parent, much worse than 2 dads, but 2 dads are never gonna have that female role as idealy would have to be...
I guess people are just afraid when they don't understand something. I saw some people are afraid watching gay people would make straight people gay (which doesn't make sense as watching straight people doesn't make gay people straight). Once heard some people are afraid that society would go mostly gay and no children would born therfore societies would go old and lack of youth. But that problem is happening in some countries and is more due to other reasons, not just because around a 10% of the population is gay. So I feel people have fear, they don't understand someone so it's easy to make guilty of your fears someone you don't identify with.
I think I'm not your target user for this answer, but felt like answering.
I would answer, but only if I am involved in an intellectual argument. I dislike talking about politics on here because it can get drowned out in hate-speech. I am not a "homophobe" or "God Hates Fags" outside-of-the-whitehouse-sign-holder. I am just a person with an opinion, that wants to be respected.
Its none of my business what any one else does, as is often said, why should homosexual people be denied the same unhappiness of marriage
My only gripe is more aimed at the type of person rather than if they are homosexual or not. I have come across a few gay men who are very over the top, its very draining to listen too and annoying... a bit like people who are always happy they get on my nerves too... i feel reality hasn't quite beaten them into submission yet. Its just a personal gripe and i would never tell them they are really annoying... like i said its none of my business... but that is more a personality issue than anything, couldn't give a fuck if they were gay or not
Personally, i think the people of the LGBTQ community is awesome. Im not a part of that community, but i support them because i believe that people can marry, and love whoever they want, and no one can tell them otherwise. We are living in a society where things like this is already normal, where same sex couples are finding a way to have children, if not biologically.
@Stripes99 and Indeed it can breed diseases only not humans, make homosexuality a universal thought and soon the humanity will extinct, this is why most western colonies already facing the population crisis, it is a serious thing to consider we need to rethink on it, if you take something from the world you have to give it back something, nobody is going reproduce on your part.
What about our overpopulation issue? Homosexuals seem to adopt more than use serogates and their children don't always have the same sexual orientation. They raise them to love whomever they'd like to love. Isn't that how we should raise everybody?
@tony_baloney overpopulation can be controlled but can you make homosexual couples reproduce ever there's no fix, someone is not always going to reproduce for you when there would be adoption crisis due to more and more homo couples then there would be child snatching, stealing and selling kids crimes will emerge to fulfill the need, man has always done that to fulfill his false desires, kids don't grow in a factory, there won't always be kids to adopt, from where they would if the ratio keep on growing I am not saying it's the problem in current scenario but sooner it will be if it keeps on happening.
@tony_baloney it's foolish to boil a water on fire every time while you still have a natural hot geyser of water available, for that surrogacy you still need a mother or at least you would still need sperm and ovum to get mixed at the end of everything, and that is how nature is and this speaks it all, human existence is not possible without these two things getting mixed with each other, I would say that you against humanity and it's existence, fantasizing and getting serious about something is very different fantasizing has no problem but getting serious about it, if homosexuality is right in your eyes to produce a kid with your own partner don't make people reproduce for you, and they will not carry your genes and DNA if neither of you is involved, you want homosexuality at any cost doing this and that just because you are biased with it and you love the fun, I think it's no use to talk with you anymore.
Jesus, gimme the spark notes. You're dragging this out so much. So your whole issue now is that they can't reproduce without a woman and one of them won't get to carry on their dna.. you think we don't know this? How is that a bad immoral thing
@tony_baloney those are the concerns of normal humans these are issues which needs to be addressed and this is not all about reproducing I am trying to tell you that it is not natural, no evolution theory supports homosexuality just because they can't reproduce together, they would still need another gender, why you so aggressively support something which doesn't fit in? somehow you are biased to support that and you make fun it is only about reproducing so what homosexuality is all about? tell me? how to make fun with your gay partner?
Its really not as big a deal as you're making it. And im getting jusy as aggresive as you are. It's kinda personal for me. Almost like attacking my family. That and it's wrong to impose what you feel on another person's life. If you want to feel this way, that's fine, it's your life. But again, why not just let people be happy?
Biology and nature cannot be ignorant but human consciousness can always slope to ignorance ( rejects or accepts to be informed and you need to find what is correct and incorrect not right or wrong)
"@tony_baloney let a rapist and murderer be happy as well, everyone have the right to be whatever they are" ^^^^^^^how is that not likening it to what I said about letting them be happy? They're not hurting anybody
If being immature means I'm accepting of people who are inherently kind hearted and want nothing but to give and receive love, than I never want to grow up. Especially if I'll become someone like you
@tony_baloney if you don't want yourself and your action to be judged then who are you to judge a rapist and murderer, who will prove that what you doing it wrong or right for society? you frame the rules for them the moment you make rules that means humans are not absolutely free on his own will, making rules means boundations you want yourself to be free while bounding others with rules you are a hypocrite who talks about freedom of others while not letting them pursue what they want you to think they are bad but they don't think they are doing bad it's fun for them like you do it for your fun and you also think that you doing anything bad your analogy of freedom, either you make rules like there should be no hurting etc or you live free both cannot go together and you can never prove a wrong person that you are wrong with this kind of ideology because it may be wrong for you but its not for them they like it and they do it for fun they think its good for them why you wanna impose anything on them what you think is wrong according to your perception, it could be subjective, what you are talking cannot be applied on every person logically but you cannot think that far you are a person who is weak and running behind his bad wills and trying to look normal and good in society wants to live free while making rules for others, if you judge others you will be judged too, don't think that what you think is always right, you don't want to be like me? you can never be with this poor thoughts.
Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever. We have that in society already in almost every other aspect. Are we hypocrites for not having slaves when other countries don't allow that freedom to some? Your argument had entirely too many holes. I agree that complete freedom is dangerous, but as long as you're not hurting anybody, who cares? Having the freedom to be a rapist is nothing like having the freedom to choose your sexual orientation. Plus, you've said about 4 times that you're done with this conversation. You're not even a man of your word, why should I ever listen to anything you say? Lol
@tony_baloney now you admit that complete freedom is dangerous, If I have gone to that point directly you would have rejected that as well, what I meant there that I was basically done with you not the conversation I will ignore your future posts or anything else but if you speak something in ongoing conversation then I must have to reply unless I am done with the conversation besides that you used some words that were a personal attack and not related to conversation I can't ignore that. my silence could prove something else too, now coming back to your this line "but as long as you are not hurting who cares" this is the part that you do not understand how do you know that you are not hurting anyone, what you supporting is potentially dangerous for everyone in a longer run, the problem is you think what you doing is good you become the judge you decide everything on your own this is good and this bad and you are not hurting etc etc, that's why I compared it with bad people who also think that they are not doing anything wrong, many people before doing anything bad satisfy themselves with the thought they are doing is all good and nothing is bad in that, what is against nature will come back in a bad form and someday humanity will have to pay it's price if you fail to see it's pitfall, no one is responsible for your inability, I don't have any problem with homosexuality at all if it would be natural but it's not natural and going against nature will have serious consequences, not in the near future but this will build up into something. and I am clearing you once more outside this conversation I am done with you. and again I don't have anything against homosexuals personally and I am not imposing anything on them but for this, you need to prove to me that it is natural.
Because it's not normal. A man is supposed to have a sexual relationship with a woman so that they will make a new human. It's how the system of nature works. Have you even seen a gay dog or a lesbian cat? It's just weird and surely mentally unstable to me to see a man kissing another man. Even when I was agnostic I I believed it wasn't right
Another question: If homosexuality is a problem because people can't reproduce, is it wrong for heterosexual couples and single people to not have children either? Is sterile heterosexual couples bad too? What's worst between a child abuser and someone who don't want children?
No it shouldn't be outlawed. Just like neo nazis aren't outlawed. It's freedom and they can do what they want. And that's not my point it's ok if someone don't wanna have kids I was just proving that this is not natural and not normal
GLBT-ism is wrong because it's largely a fad, instead of something people are born with. This is shown by just the tiny fraction of older people who identify as GLBT, and the huge number of young people who identify as GLBT. And there is no gay gene. And it's wrong because it stems from brokenness, such as molestation, being disconnected from one's father and being overly mothered, and the ability to attract a nice mate of the opposite sex.
So true. People who make arguments based on religion are just about the dumbest people you can find.. look for some answers through morality and empathy instead of fear that you'll be damned for eternity.. makes me so mad x. x
Opposed in the sense of believing that it's wrong. Not opposed in the sense that you want to be that way. Believing it's gross just means you don't swing that way with attraction, which is fine. But if you think it's wrong for others because it's gross than you're just making a poor argument. I think scrapple is gross, but I don't tell people who enjoy it that they're wrong for liking it. Understand?
That's called separate, but equal. It was wrong with African Americans and it's wrong with homosexuals too. Welcome to America you bigoted asshole. They can appear wherever they want and there's nothing you can do about it, but bitch and moan (;
It constantly amazes me how much others can't put themselves into the perspective of another person. People like you are the reason we have such seporation, hate, fear, and war. Whatever happened to love? What if people scoffed at you kissing a woman the way you do homosexuals? Thought your kind should be banned from any type of public affection and television.. you'd feel subjugated and outraged
@tony_baloney You can't compare black people's civil rights to gays. The blacks had to struggle to get rights they deserved the gays pushed their agenda and pushed their agenda until a corrupt moderate on the supreme court took a payoff and made same sex marriage legal that is not the same thing in the least.
you don't deserve rights because you don't act in an appropriate manner and you see exactly what happened as soon as gays got rights then the trannys were demanding to use the ladies room and put ladies and kids and risk from some sicko.
@tony_baloney they may have been through some shit but they could just not be faggots and then no one would attack them. Black people got attacked for being black which was no fault of their own. It is 2 separate situations.
No shit, it's a bundle of sticks used as kindling... that's why people call them that. They're basically stating that they should be burned at the stake.. AND YES. THE ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE. The same way that you see a beautiful woman and feel attraction, they feel that way about the same sex, and feel that the other sex is gross. Wow look you have something in common, you both think that the gender you're not attracted to is gross. A gay man thinks the idea of touching a vagina is just as gross as you think touching a dick is
@tony_baloney They have a gay channel so they can put all that stuff on there this way the rest of us won't be grossed out but no they want to push gays on every show now and not only push them but try to preach to us that we have to accept them and we have to accept their rights which many of us never will do and especially won't if they are trying to force it on us
I see what you're saying, I really do, but I sincerely wish you'd just try to be a little empathetic and put yourself in their shoes.. but who cares I suppose... one day we'll all be dead anyway so why not just enjoy the life you have and let others do whatever they want and not care too? Maybe I'm just biased because I grew up idolizing my gay older cousin and one of my best friends in the world I grew up with is a lesbian. Maybe I'm just desensitized to it because I grew up around it. Regardless, I hope and pray you have a child that's homosexual so you can realise for yourself there's nothing inherantly wrong with them and they just desperately want to be accepted by their peers and community.
@tony_baloney I believe in morals and values I come from a family that believes in the same and my close friends believe the same so sorry I am gonna take the side of Christians who are good people over people who have sex with random people in the mens room.
I'M CALLING BALONEY! You're definitely speaking from a place of taught values, but don't give me the bullshit that you guys are coming from a place of morality. That's a complete and utter lie when you're trying to subjugate an entire people just so you don't have to see them. Bullfuckingshit you're coming from a moral place. Your moral compass is seriously skewed my friend
It also says the Christian Bible that you should Stone your children when they disobey you. But if you beat your slave unconscious and it awakens within 3 days that you shouldn't be punished because they're your property. Are you going to follow everything your religion preaches or just pick and choose what makes you comfortable
@tony_baloney No it is my moral compass that makes me feel the way I feel. Do I wanna see gay people hurt? No do I hate them? No but they are mentally ill and instead of address that they are encouraged and that is the problem. And it is people like you who want to try to force acceptance on me that is the main problem.
Riiiiight no hatred, you just want to see them not be gay -.- it's not that you don't like them, you just want them to not exist. Am I getting this right? To each his own, ends there. It's not to each his own, but I really wish they'd get help. How is it a mental illness? Can you prove this with any information or data without citing the bible? If not, your argument means absolutely nothing to the pursuit of truth. Maybe your personal truth, nobody can take that from you, but the actual, unbiased truth is that you're acting like everyone else throughout history who tried to subjugate people. No one's forcing anything on you, you can believe whatever you want to believe, I'm just making sure you know that you're a bigot for believing it. At least be honest with yourself.
@tony_baloney No they can exist all they want just far away from me and nobody is a bigot for not liking something someone does if that was the case everyone would be one
It's the "I don't want to see them, they need to stay away from me, they shouldn't be on my shows, kissing in my line of sight" stuff that makes you bigoted..
You’re not a bigot for not liking the way that people are, but you are a bigot for believing that there’s something wrong with people who do things you don’t like.
@TacocaT6969 by saying that to me you are trying to force it and it is not gonna happen and at least half the country feel the same way as me it is a mentall illness nothing more and liberals should work on getting them mental help not encourage it
I know you will never be accepting. You were born this way and you will die his way.
I’m justing pointing out how funny it is that people like you feel attacked by those who try to help see that you should, as you’d say “love thy neighbor.”
Not peraonally no, I love me some pussy. You can ask my girlfriend, I could eat her out for hours xD I just grew up around it and have a best friend that's a lesbian. Do you have any close friends of that orientation that you can actually talk to, to even make an attempt to understand? It's pretty simple logic. Do you think I could ever force you to fall in love with the same sex? Probably not considering how you feel about this. That's how my cousin would feel if I tried to force him into loving a woman in that way. It's the same thing. You're attracted to who you're attracted to. It's not something you can force. I'm sure you've been hit on by women that you just did not have interest with. It's still the same thing. I could say the same thing about your argument, that you want heterosexaulity at any cost, that argument is flawed. Especially since, unless there's a large scale extinction event, homosexual relationships will never end the human races existence. We spread like roaches no matter what. Almost every human has multiple children so I don't see us going anywhere. Why not just let people be happy being who they are?
Also, roughly 10%, plus or minus a few percent depending on the species, of mammals have regular homosexual relationships. Is it really so against nature if it's happening all over a nature? Do dogs monkeys or sheep disappear off the face of the Earth because of this? They seem to get around just fine
I idolize my cousin growing up. Is great man, extremely kind, and I'll be honest when I found out that he was gay it may be really uncomfortable as a teenager. I didn't fully understand it I thought it was a little bit strange and abnormal, I even stopped talking to him for a while. But I realize that he was the same person regardless and he was still the same kind fun awesome person that I came to know growing up. I realize that my feeling of discomfort just came from a place of not really knowing anyting about the whole situation. You should always come from a place of love and I'm just standing no matter what. Long as you're not directly hurting anybody what's the big fukin deal?
@tony_baloney I am not saying you are forced to that's what my point is you himself have chosen because even though you were involved in heterosexual contacts but you never realized how much fun homo sex could be when you fantasized about it your likeness has changed into that way. have you ever felt after trying so many things, oh I loved this so much, wish I could have tried it much earlier? it depends on where you let your feelings flow, if you see it that way I am telling you, you will never find a single person either bisexual or homos no truly a straight person, we have always offered choices to choose from it depends on us where we go, you have fantasized it so much that now when you look at girls you don't feel the spice, I fantasize about curvy ladies more hence I am automatically attracted to only curvy ones, what you fantasize your likeness will turn that way and sometimes you notice that but sometimes you were not even aware of that happening to you, so you feel like that it was always there but there has to be one that day when you thought about it that way and it blasted your sexual taste buds but not necessarily that you have to be homosexual but you have chosen your likeness over naturality, I have no problem with homosexuality at all only when if it would be a natural thing but it is not natural it is an unwanted odd side of human, once the masturbation was enough to satisfy you but once you were introduced to blowjobs and handjobs, doing the activity with your own hand wouldn't be pleasing at all as compared but that doesn't mean you will eventually going to stop masturbating at all, I believe there is no complete freedom of everything there are some limits and boundations which we should never cross for the sake of balance, homosexuality is acquired at some moment but you are not aware when how and where even no scientific evolution and life process theories can be made based on homosexuality.
Yeah noo, that's not at all how it works 0. o A good amount of homosexual men, including my cousin, force relationships with women at first because that's what they're told is right, until they realise it's just not doing it for them. You can't lie to your dick lol. It gets hard over what it wants to lmao. Your argument is complete conjecture based on speculation of what people are thinking with no actual proof or data. It's solely your opinion, which makes it false and invalid. I could easily say that you're just so scared that you secretly love dick that you have to create these crazy nonsensical arguments to make you feel better about yourself, but that'd be just as nonsensical. I mean, do you even hear yourself? Blasted my sexual taste buds xD you're seriously a complete and total moron talking entirely out of your ass. Goodnight, my bigoted friend. I've got work in the morning lol
@tony_baloney I provided how biology works still better than your plain criticism which has totally no logic totally biased with homosexuality, your dick can even go hard with your own touch fuck yourself then, you can choose to be whatever you want but don't blame me of what you himself are, you are the accuse of not providing any valid proof or example you are totally talking by yourself you are some idiot ignorant person who just wants to do what he wants to, guess what if you have nothing to say better you shut up you are just coming back out of your ego while you have nothing to say you haven't even answered my earlier questions and now this trashy comment tell very much about your thought process, you can still fuck your gay mate without spilling trash don't try to make yourself feel better by commenting unnecessary absurd, I can clearly see you have nothing to talk about, you are all about a selfish person full of homosexual mentality, you are not even a person worth talking logically, you blame me of not providing proof I told you a lot while you himself doesn't provide anything just plain and vague arguments, totally non sensical words. there are very few people like you is the main reason you are all odd and you can never convince everyone with your absurd. now you can make filthy comments but you don't deserve a reply it's time waste.
I answered everything with actual data that you seemed to ignore and you just repeated the same thing I disproved... but that's right I guess I'm wrong.. goodnight asshole
@tony_baloney I have read all your comments twice, you were just busy criticizing me and you haven't provided anything valid you were only raising nonsensical questions, but you can say that for pleasing yourself.
@TacocaT6969 Yea I grew up Catholic but I don't need the bible to tell me that it is disgusting and unnatural. Religion is just an excuse people use because they think it is disgusting and they are trying to be nice about it but on the same token Christians are great people and they see it as an abomination it everything Jesus would be opposed to a man and a woman create a life homosexuals for many years created nothing but HIV.
I really am just waisting my time aren't I? He's frustrating me though. Every time I give a counter argument, he ignores it, says the same stupid excuse, says that I must be gay for being accepting of others, and then repeats the same defeated hateful argument. He's ignoring everything I said, then pointing the finger saying I'm only coming from a place of criticism, then criticises me himself (x lmfao Saying biology is against this argument, that evolution is against this argument, even though literally ALL mammals throughout nature have a small sect whom have regular consistent homosexual relationships.. seeming to prove the opposite. I agree. Can't have a baby without a woman, biologically we need each other to create the next generation, but nature itself disproves the base of your argument; that it's against nature, as being incorrect, when it's happening constantly all around us in multiple mammalian species
That was only because, for a very small period of time, a lot started having much unprotected sex with many partners. You'd be just as likely to contract it if you started doing the same with women. They were just starting to become accepted, and high on life and hope, began to meet many others of their same orientation, high on the same excitement.
@tony_baloney We are humans not animals that is the difference and it proves my point they act like animals anyone who believes they deserve rights is a far left extremist trying to push what they do on anybody who has a moral code and family values and that is the problem with the world today. Look at the Chik-fil-A guy when he simply said he is a church goer and believes in traditional marriage he got attacked and smeared like he did something wrong when he was actually defending what is left of morals and values in this country and extremists like you can't simply say ok that is your opinion you have to try to force your opinion on me and anybody else who will listen.
We realize mistakes and we change. Maybe you should do the same. As I said before, I think scrapple, old people, and mayonnaise are pretty disgusting, but I don't ask to ban them from my line of sight, television, or scoff at others who like them
Religion, as a whole, was early attempts at understanding our world and inspiring a sense of morality, but in my opinion, it's over staid it's welcome. It's slowing down the progress of human evolution drastically. People will hold on to one or two of these drastic opinions from thousands of years ago, thinking their God gave them those words, but God, in the same breath, also gave the word to stone tour children when they disobey you. That you may sell your daughter to a courter for a certain amount of goods. That if you beat your slave unconscious and within 3 days they awaken, you're not to be punished because they're your property. If god believes in complete free will, why does he intervene and create such disgusting rules? Ever wonder if your faith is actually following a disguised satan?
@tony_baloney You are making out like only religious people hate it as long as being gay is disgusting there will be people who hate it it isn't about religion it is about the fact that it is a sickness and it is gross and same sex marriage paved the way for sicko trannies trying to use the ladies room where they could endanger real women and kids and the next step the far left will try to normalize pedos because that is the direction it is going in because Democrats want votes from the low lifes of society so they push these things and it makes me sick.
@tony_baloney they already are in other countries they pushed the same far left agenda as the alt left does here and it is just a matter of a time if they can try to justify 2 men getting married and someone with a mutilated penis using the ladies room they will try to justify anything
I promise nowhere has accepted pedophiles... the closest to that is Japan, where the age of consent is 14, which is kinda nutty, but whatever. What's wrong with that though? Is it really harming women for a someone like that to just go and take a piss?
But now the arguments shifted from religion, to just pure hatred. Calling people who've transitioned dangerous, basically like they're going to rape everyone they're in the bathroom with. This guy said he'd shun his child if they were gay x. x
@tony_baloney Yea it is because they are mentally ill if they are one of them and have a high suicide rate also because liberals encourage them instead of getting them mental help so if they are that mentally unstable and they are do you really want them in a ladies room where kids can be?
@tony_baloney that is such a stupid thing to say if they are mentally unstable who knows what they might do? And make no mistake these are men stronger than a woman or a kid and if they are crazy enough to think they are a woman they are simply crazy but yea liberals like you usually don't care about the innocent you are only about defending the low lifes
@TacocaT6969 last I checked we lived in America and freedom of religion is a right and up until a few years ago and some corrupt supreme court justices the gays had no rights so you can't sit here and say religion will be gone religion was always a part of this country if someone believes they can practice if not they can't and do you realize you are living in Trump's America? If same sex marriage gets kicked back up to the supreme court it is all over and everything will be right with the world again.
You've obviously never met or talked to one of these people. They're problem is not fitting in. With acceptance. They're not aggressively unstable like a psychopath, they're fucking depressed. Trans and gay people are the nicest most accepting people you can find because of this. Well, until you start to be a dick, but who wouldn't right?
@tony_baloney Your beliefs are everything that is wrong with the world you bash religious people but they are some of the best people around Christians and even some Muslims and they believe homosexuality is wrong and they stick to their guns about it and I admire them for that and I know you hate that I am glad because good people with morals are still in this world and you can't do a thing to stop that.
@tony_baloney Yea and that will be a long time and they will overturn it long before then and when Ginsberg leaves another conservative will be on the Supreme Court for decades to come and we win.
I do. Because no one has subjugated more than the Christians. I got sent to a week long retreat when I questioned god. Was given after school detentions for asking questions. So yes. I hate the sanctity of religion. Not religious people. I hate what it does to people. Most are kindhearted, who want to be good people, but a good amount, who yell louder than the rest, turn into Hitler like assholes. I can't stop it, no. But time and the growth of intelligent will.
@tony_baloney Organized religion is brainwashing yes but the guy who reads the bible and lives his life by it and believes in God I have no problem with
It frustrates me that people pick and choose which of gods words they're okay with and which are not okay. And it's been edited through many different languages and cencored by King James that it's hardly the same book we started with
@TacocaT6969 I know my English is not very good I am just trying to communicate well enough with whatever I know? is that a problem for you? or you strictly talk to English speakers only?, well English was not my first language because I am Turkish, this is not the way how you talk to people of the different country, you should know that they don't share a common language with you, have you ever learned someone else language to talk with them? are you welcoming about other cultures and ethnicity? you fail to understand that I am from a different country and you started judging my English, does that means you are ignorant about people from other countries? if you really wanna go deep down in logic just come inside the message box, I wanna see how smart you are to judge others but only logical arguments no fancy load of words.
No I would have agreed to that regardless because I've read a lot of different philosophers and many dive deep into the dangers of a society with too much freedom and not enough consiquences. My point was that the dangers you were suggesting aren't large enough to have an impact on the human race in its entirety. As for the evidence, do some Google searches. There dozens of articles with statistics for almost every year.
@tony_baloney at the end of the day, I wanna say that I literally have nothing personal with the homosexuals, they can be my friend as like others, I really don't mind it at all, my point of disagreement is only that I think their claims are not legit of being like that and having no choice, honestly speaking homosexuality also have fantasized me once but I never chose to be one, and I feel that it's normal human behaviour everyone goes with such thoughts sometimes in their life while some takes it very seriously, I feel that it's more an acquired thing like you are inspired by something and chose to be that, I think both ways are open it depends on you then what you want to be, I have been there as well and have chosen it by myself what I am today, because I feel that you are not allowed to everything that you can, you need to understand certain boundaries and limitation before it's too late for you.
Excuse me xD we went from arguing about disagreements to "I used to fanticise". Why even have an opposing opinion at all if you went through a curious phase? I'm confused
@tony_baloney In my previous arguments as well I have never said that no normal humans haven't tasted it and I think it's a normal part of being human you are always surrounded by diverse thoughts and possibilities but the difference is that I believe pursuing each and every one of them is not right, we have both good and bad gates open and we have a freedom of choice whether we choose the good or bad, both aspect of the same thing different and opposite to each other can't be correct there has to be only one correct thing. even though I have been with that phase pursuing them was not good according to me you should not take advantage of your freedom and you should use it wisely, with great power comes great responsibilities. human always wanna try new and different things always wanna spice up more but we should not become blind for our desires, we must have to make that one correct move for the sake of the world and humanity.
@tony_baloney being curious is okay but not all curiosity is good, curiosity sometimes kills, curiosity is not the justification to do anything there could be wrong ones too.
I thought you mean not common. There are today gay people and animals and have been since the trees. In what way is that not natural if gay has always been in nature?
Some things like norms, moral, ethic etc. are social constructs. Culture is man made. The nature has several species showing homosexual behavior, so something being immoral in your eyes aren't necessary unnatural. Earth quake and diseases aren't unnatural either. Killing isn't unnatural either and most species are violent. So the unnatural argument don't work. So I would like more arguments here.
Because I do not want to see it or hear about it and I do not want it on my TV or anything like that I mean if they want to be together it is their lives just keep it far far away from me. I simply do not agree with same sex marriage just for the fact that as soon as they got that right then the discussions started where they wanted to make laws where if you said you disagreed with it you could be prosecuted next the whole tranny ladies room thing and I am sure the next thing the liberals try will be to try to justify the rights of people who abuse kids it is just a horrible mental illness all of it and liberals try to justify it all.
The reason many people are homophobic is either because of conditioning (being taught this way by their parents/family) or because they don't understand The Bible. There are 6 verses that people try to use to condemn homosexuality, but put in their context, are either referring to promiscuous relationships, or ones outside of marriage. It's important to know biblical history before you decide whether or not something is wrong. God loves everyone!!
I'd imagine that for pragmatic reasons, Homosexual couples and by extension, couples that don't reproduce, more than likely, won't contribute to society decades later and end up being a cost (depending on the country).
This is just conjecture since I'm not really against homosexuality at all.
One scientific reason is that they can't make a baby without artificial help but that shit can easily be irrelevant as they can adopt or surrogate pregnancy for gay men and sperm for women. For me personally I generally don't give a fuck and plus I'm quite libertarian so it's they right to love anyone (beside children and do need consent between adults obviously).
eh wat? humanity is gonna dissapear anyway not because of gays smh
how to die: disease climatic disasters bein killed I don't know some uncommon event like meteor fallin on eart all the sudden meh there are a lot of ways to die and sir /mam or whatever dying is yo destiny
also are the people soo bored with their own lifes that they have to criticized decide yo own happiness? smh let people have their own happiness after all life is short.
also wheres god to fix the world huh? does god likes watchin us destroying each other or what? if ya still belive in god in this century ya ignorant then
born in a catholic family i never belived in this bible stuff
I agree. There are a lot of thick people who use their holy book because it removes the need for independent thought and research. It's easy to be a racist or a homophobe, it takes thinking to be otherwise
@DakotaNorth It's not in your face that is the difference if a gay person can be a human like us straight people and conduct themselves like a normal person I have nothing to be mad about but when they act like animals out in public that is when there is a problem
@DakotaNorth sis I don’t want it in my face period. Do what ever the fuck you want. But I’m not going to march... watch gay movies... or anything like that. But gays want to force that on me.
Buffalo chip is getting creative with words. To be asexual is having a lack of sexual attraction/ desire. I am not voluntarily abstaining. Sex does not interest me. I know, most of the kids are amazed that such a thing could be possible. I don't get aroused, turned on or horny. Just like how your parents expected you to be in high school.
I don't consider myself gay or bi because I would never date someone who considers themselves male or looks male but my last relationship was between a Cis female and a post-op Transwoman, I have nothing against anyone of the LGBT community, the heart wants what the heart wants, it's that simple.
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Because it's nasty. God made sexual attraction between man and woman.
@Arne123123 If God wanted people to get attracted to the same gender then why he made another one, and why he did not give the same gender capability to reproduce together? the only unique combination of sperm and ovum only can produce a human nothing else can't and this is natural and truth rest is acquired man-made fantasy like bestiality some men were not aware when they got touched deeply by this fantasy called homosexuality. hence they blame it on nature if you allow it then later you would see another community on the rise which would be a man and animal and so-called peaceful open-minded people will simply say what's wrong in that? dude, they are fuc**ing your world and you are asking what's wrong they are doing?
@Hariss "If God wanted people to get attracted to the same gender then why he made another one , and why he did not give the same gender capability to reproduce together?" Not sure what you are arguing, but i don't belive a god exist so i don't feel the need to make up bullshit explenations that make no sense to defend him. Animals can't consent is the main reason beastiality is imoral in my opinion...
Again. Roughly 10% of all mammals have regular homosexual relationships. Do you think of a sheep or monkey as being sinful? Go ask your God about that and let me know when it answers you
@Arne123123 The problem is people will always find something to support such things if they want it, like they adopted homosexuality so as bestiality would come with some other excuse, I know you surely don't believe in God else you wouldn't be supporting this or maybe you loved homosexuality more than God that's why you quit with it, if you don't believe in God then that is totally another discussion.
@tony_baloney It is not yet proved that there are homosexual animals, people have found them mimicking homosexual behavior only but not seeing them engaged in real sex and that is not even the reason because animals are not as intelligent as human they don't live in a civilized societies, plus an animal will never come to you and say itself that hey I am homosexual, you are only observing their action which could be anything it will remain merely an observation, not a fact, a Homosexual human tells that he is gay and is involved in homosexuality and he does the real sex, you cannot say that with animals you can only see them climbing their back that's it doesn't show they are homosexual unless they tell you by themselves ignoring the normal natural reproduction and adopting babies in jungle?
I don't have a big problem with them, I just don't want them to advertise it in the social media. I believe the hate against the homosexuals started when some of them changed the meaning of being gay. Some started dressing weird, acting like girls, using make up then some lesbian started the extreme feminist movement. I don't hate homosexuals, I've had gay friends and they were normal people.
I don't know why people act like they do towards gay people but assume people are just looking for a target to distract people from there own failings and others want to avoid the label the immoral dictators and religious leaders created.
Some people are intolerant and they simply don't have to tolerate it but they do have to keep their opinions to themselves, not every gay guy or girl is a limp wristed pansy after all.
I’m not opposed but fact is if it was meant to be then you would be able to have kids that way. And two if homosexuality was contagious or genetic we would all be dead.
It’s not contagious at all but if it was genetically eventually all those 7,7 billion people will have kids or gran kids unable to have off spring. It’s thoughts like that cause fear and people do stupid stuff when scared ie hate on people unnecessarily.
@curiousnorway two different opinion opposite and against each other can't be true for a common argument if you say that homosexuality is right then that means heterosexuality is wrong, by nature opposite attracts and this is how nature made it, 90% of heterosexuals is a prove that homosexuality is an odd, the problem is not about taking care of the population, the problem is if you support an ideology it should be a true and correct one which can be applied to each and every person of the earth, an ideology could be universal you cannot make individual different rules for 7.7 billion people which means there are generally no rules at all, and if you make a universal ideology that's where the homosexuality get eliminated because it cannot support population if applied to every one of us, and why do you wanna support which is against nature and humanity? do you want to look liberal we must condemn what is wrong there is no shame in that else people will make different things and get on roads to justify it as right, I don't have anything personal with homosexuals, I would support it myself only if it good for humanity and is natural but it isn't both, tell me how beneficial homosexuality is to humans when it cannot even contribute to the population, maintaining population is an important part of life balance and ecosystem, I am not saying that we will run into immediate crisis of population but if we keep on supporting wrong ideologies then there could be potential threat to humanity, sometimes there is not an immediate danger but the duty is of everyone it's not like that you are free of your responsibility and duty if everyone thinks the same then who would come forward? you would force no homosexuality is for 10%? I have made that rule more people are not allowed you must go and reproduce for the sake of population and humanity? would you say those two things? when we talk about pollution do we say why do I care? there are other people to take care of it?
@Hariss, 1. Homosexuality isn't contagious like a disease. Only people with inborn personality traits can become it. The 95+% won't become homosexual no matter what. How you can't become color blind if you're not it, that's how you can't become gay.
2. As long 95+% are heterosexual and most straight couples wants children, there would always be enough people on earth. Actually, some people lives in cultures where getting many children, example 5 or more is expected of them. So as long some people choose to get that many children there would be enough although many don't get children.
3. Not everything is unnatural although you don't like it. Virus, bacteria, earth quake and other nature disasters occurs naturally. It's okay to not like something, but that doesn't mean it's unnatural.
4. Some types of technology like TV, PC, phones and cars are more unnatural. They're man-made.
5. We don't need to condemn or encourage homosexuality. Adults can choose by themselves. Most people are heterosexual.
6. If we should condemn all abnormal things, then we can condemn cripples too. People who can't walk, see, hear or anything like that. Although it's not unnatural, it's still not following the norm.
7. Even heterosexual people may choose to not get children. Forcing them to get children goes against their freedom of choice and not all heterosexuals would be good parents either.
8. And we've sterile straight couples. It's as abnormal as gayness. So by your logic that should also be wrong. They can't procreate.
My friend I think you are repeating the same thing again and I have already answered that maybe you didn't read my last responses correctly, first of all, I humbly apologize to say that your examples were weak and don't relate as much to the issue, I am not against the man-made thing, I am against the thing that is against the nature, homosexuality is not a communicable disease but if you support a false thing then it could become a problem someday, do you know how much people it can affect do you know? and if somehow widespread already how would you convince people to come back? I have already said that many times I don't personally have anything with homosexuals but I don't support something that is not natural, the problem is that you think I don't know that homosexuality is inborn while I am continuously telling you that it is acquired and that's why I am against to it, I not including those who are born with sex defects, and not all homosexuals are like that by birth they are just inspired by an ideology and thought, homosexuality is not a personality trait, and besides all that I have no idea why did you even say that in 7 and 8th sentence, how can you say that I think being sterile is wrong? it is not same as compared to homosexuality when I keep saying homosexuality is not a natural thing according to me and I have given you proofs, being sterile is natural defect homosexuality is acquired I am repeating this always maybe you did not noticed and choosing not is from where you have options and choices, where there are no options then you can't make a choice you are helpless, parents choosing not to have kids it's out of their choice, but homosexuals not having kids is because they cannot make it happen they helpless, do you see the difference? even if they want they cannot and it is a different thing? I don't know why I have to repeat everything are you even reading me?
Ultimately, self respect and respect for the laws of nature and common sense preclude homosexual acts. They are degrading to the human and can even damage his health.
it's wrong because gay faggots who like it up the bum are soft Nancy sissies... also their feminine mannerisms and behaviour sickens me... once a gay boy called me beautiful... it made me sick
it's not "wrong" as in morally wrong. it's just a deviancy or one might say a disabilty. however you can live a perfectly happy live with it. just procreation will be somewhat of a problem.
God gave a penis to a man and a vagina to a woman. He did not intend a butt hole to be used as a vagina. It is wrong. Normal people seek the opposite of what they dont have, not the same.
What goes on behind closed doors among consenting adults is none of my business. It doesn't affect me, and no one is getting hurt, so there's nothing wrong with it.
Simple: the anus didn’t evolve to receive a penis. Thus, receiving or putting a penis into the anus is, at the very least, disordered and contrary to the purpose of our physiology.
Homosexuality is one thing, being a flamboyant queer is another. We shouldn't enable that type of a lifestyle, just because "Ohh as long as it doesn't affect me hurr hurr."
Why not? I'm not saying that kind of thing appeals to me, but either people are free to express themselves as they wish, or they aren't. Objectively, do I want to see an uptight, rigid 'straight', socially restrained cunt like yourself, or a homosexual flamboyant cunt, like a homosexual? Both are cunts, so it makes no odds to me. In fact, the homosexual is probably less cuntish than yourself, no offense.
I think teaching your children to both know about AND tolerate (not necessarily pursue) gay relationships is what most adults still struggle with nowadays.
Well if I was Christian I'd say some shit like "cause the Bible said so" but I'm agnostic. I have no problem with homosexuals, I just choose not to be one myself.
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I’d just like for once two lesbians to be used as pic illustrations.
I dont really care to be honest. If you're a guy and like sucking dicks, who am I to comment on it.
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You are the example of gays being a virus kind of like insanity cuz you are mentally insane and infected with homosexuality and I have the cure dude its called firing handguns wildly into your knees point blank until your crippled
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